[pickledpepperRN]

Originally Posted by MBANurse

So take the kids.
Kick the parents out on the street...
I have no problem with that.
The kids would learn that they can do what they want... and the government would pick up the tab for the rest.

I don't understand where this are suggests the kids be taken?

Or what, "The kids would that they can do what they want... and the government would pick up the tab for the rest" means.

Am I the only one who cannot figure out this post?

[pickledpepperRN]

Oops, double post.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by spacenurse

I don't understand where this are suggests the kids be taken?

Or what, "The kids would that they can do what they want... and the government would pick up the tab for the rest" means.

Am I the only one who cannot figure out this post?

Nope. Nor do I imagine that we are the only 2 people who can't figure it out.

[MBANurse]

Well if it is really that difficult...

psalm and others stated that the kids should not suffer because of their parents poor choices...

So in response.. I said... "so take the kids..." she didn't suggest it... I did. Let them be wards of the state. I have no problem with that. Do you? Would you rather that kids be homeless with their parents? It seems it is unfair to the children and that they suffer needlessly... so take them; shelter and house them; teach them if they do not work hard they will end up in the same squallor that their parents were.


psalm also said that maybe the kids would learn responsibility that rather than poor choices... if the government picked up the tab and provided healthcare and met their needs...

I stated... rather poorly because I was in a hurry... that rather they would learn that they could do whatever they wanted because the government would pick up the tab for them...

Happy to have clarified for you teapot and spacenurse.

[ingelein]

Originally Posted by MBANurse

Well if it is really that difficult...

psalm and others stated that the kids should not suffer because of their parents poor choices...

So in response.. I said... "so take the kids..." she didn't suggest it... I did. Let them be wards of the state. I have no problem with that. Do you? Would you rather that kids be homeless with their parents? It seems it is unfair to the children and that they suffer needlessly... so take them; shelter and house them; teach them if they do not work hard they will end up in the same squallor that their parents were.


psalm also said that maybe the kids would learn responsibility that rather than poor choices... if the government picked up the tab and provided healthcare and met their needs...

I stated... rather poorly because I was in a hurry... that rather they would learn that they could do whatever they wanted because the government would pick up the tab for them...

Happy to have clarified for you teapot and spacenurse.

Make them wards of the state?Wouldnt that cost us plenty, wouldnt it be smarter to let the parents stay and work and take care of their OWN children and pay TAXES?

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by MBANurse

"so take the kids..." she didn't suggest it... I did. Let them be wards of the state. I have no problem with that. Do you?

Yes, I do have a problem with it and I am incredulous at the notion that there are people who honestly believe the solution to poverty is the removal of children from their homes. Where, exactly, is it that you suggest these children be sent? Foster care isn't cheaper than helping parents support their children, nor is it more effective. Study after study as well as the anecdotal testimony of people who work with foster youth can tell you that the system is rife with problems. Not that it isn't ever necessary to remove children from their homes, but it isn't done as a matter of routine for very good reason. Not the least of which is that it would be inhumane to both the children and the families. We don't do that in this country, nor does any other civilized nation.

I'm happy to clarify that for you.

[MBANurse]

It may in the short term actually cost more money. But this thread was about homeless children... and the heartwrenching story about the shelter from Karen... I mean don't you want the children off the street.. to be clothed and fed and protected.

It would be cheaper to feed and house 2 kids than them and their parents. Parents should be able to fend for themselves.


But lets be honest shall we... this isn't about the kids. Its about the socialization of the United States. It is the liberal postion that the rich should be made to spread their wealth so that there is no poor. That people are entitled to all the things that they want out of life...
I wish that I could say that healthcare is just the beginning... but it started a long time ago with FDR.

[psalm]

Let me clarify something, I didn't say for the gov't to take the kids and pick up the tab. I said if there was suspicion of abuse/neglect to report it. Sometimes intervention can be a good thing, parents are checked out, hopefully willing to work with a counselor, learn parenting skills, budgeting. And some are just selfish, taking care of themselves but ignoring the needs of their kids.

The kids need to learn that the gov't is there for a real need, but that intervention is for helping/aiding on a positive track...not that the gov't would pick up the tab for everything the kids or parents wanted. Please tell me you understand what I am trying to say...

[MBANurse]

Originally Posted by psalm

Let me clarify something, I didn't say for the gov't to take the kids and pick up the tab. I said if there was suspicion of abuse/neglect to report it. Sometimes intervention can be a good thing, parents are checked out, hopefully willing to work with a counselor, learn parenting skills, budgeting. And some are just selfish, taking care of themselves but ignoring the needs of their kids.

No one said you did... they aren't going to swarm you.

It was all me.

I am the evil conservative that wants to get kids off the streets... and make sure that they are fed, clothed and sheltered. Of course its better they live on the street or in a shelter with their parents... right?

[psalm]

Well, I'm a conservative but not evil. And I have seen parents who have had intervention and families were reunited and things get better. It took time, but it can be done.