[teeituptom]

Originally Posted by ZASHAGALKA

Your husband's great care is unsustainable. Even Viking, in his thread about social security, admits that unfunded entitlements such as Medicare is the must larger danger.

So tell me, how do we greatly expand a program that is quickly leading the gov't to bankruptcy?

I know the answer.

Ration care and cut healthcare salaries. Both only possible with a gov't run monopoly.

It's that simple.

~faith,
Timothy.

Two- the only thing leading the Gov't to bankruptcy is our idiot leader GWBushie.
His illegal and fraudulent war.

Wouldnt need to ration heath care. Just end the overseas war.

Medicaire isnt unfunded, we pay our taxes for it.

[teeituptom]

Originally Posted by oldiebutgoodie

Well, throughout this debate we are talking about single payor.

I think that one issue is that health insurance is basically linked to employment, which is a bad idea.

So, how can we "unlink" it?

1. National Health insurance
2. Give it all to the free market, and let everybody duke it out.
3. Maybe set up groups that aren't based on employers? What about groups underwritten per state?

Frankly, I'm not nuts about National Health Insurance, or the free market. If somehow groups could be underwritten that aren't linked to employment, that would spread out the risk. Unfortunately, I am not a policy wonk, so this is about as far as I go...

Interesting debate, however.

Oldiebutgoodie

This would work if the free market was honest

But Halliburton leads the free market, I think that says it all

[teeituptom]

Originally Posted by spacenurse

How about a windfall profits tax?

This isnt even necessary

Just stop Bushie and his illegal war, and his and Cheneys friends at Halliburton

[teeituptom]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

Another nugget of wisdom:
A major factor in our sky-high health costs is that Americans simply pay more per unit of health care than any other nation. We're getting gouged, and it has to stop. For that to happen, a new system must bring Americans into the same pool, so the government can use its massive market share to bargain down prices and advocate for their interests -- just like every other nation does.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=cost_counts

Yes we are getting gouged dearly

Sildenafil when it first came out was for Blood pressure control

But when they found out it was better "Elsewhere" The price then skyrocketed

Insurance compaies record record making profits

Pharmacies with record making profits

CEOs with exorbitant incomes.

we laugh at the gov't and its expenditures system and poke fun at them. The same is happening here.

[teeituptom]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

Honest debate requires sourced data.

How about dishonest debate

[teeituptom]

Originally Posted by sharona97

Eight years ago the President walked right into a balanced budget. IMO I wouldn't want this administration in charge of the healthcare systems in America.

Not just a completely balanced budget, but a record and unheard of surplus. Bushie killed it all, along with his gang of Robber Baron Republican Cronies

Halliburtons smiles agree with this

[teeituptom]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

The point is that we are paying for National Health care and not getting it. 25% administration and PROFIT would buy one heck of a lot of health care. See:

Americans already pay for national health insurance — they just don’t get it. In this 2002 Health Affairs paper, David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler point out that the standard accounting miscategorizes two major public health expenditures as private: the tax credit for private health insurance and the cost of the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program.
When these costs are accounted for, it becomes evident that Americans already pay the world’s highest health care taxes. In fact, the amount of public health spending in the U.S. is greater than the combined public and private spending of nations which provide universal comprehensive health insurance. A single-payer system could provide such coverage to all Americans with no need for additional health dollars.
Read “Paying for National Health Insurance — And Not Getting It” (pdf)
Source: http://pnhp.org/single_payer_resourc...r_everyone.php

Compare the health statistics between states with essential universal coverage to those without universal coverage. The states with universal coverage are healthier overall. see http://allnurses.com/forums/f195/ver...-a-260007.html (These relationships continue with HS graduation rates and lower poverty rates.) This is not a Republican or a Democratic issue it is an American issue.

you come up with such cute cartoons

[ZASHAGALKA]

Originally Posted by teeituptom

This would work if the free market was honest

But Halliburton leads the free market, I think that says it all

Halliburton isn't the free market. It is an example of neomercantilistic bonding with gov't. Halliburton-type contracts will be the example of single payor. The elected officials that will run your healthcare will care more about lobbyists from Halliburton-type healthcare companies than they will care about your input.

The free market is a repudiation of the neomercantilism that breeds companies such as Halliburton.

~faith,
Timothy.

[ZASHAGALKA]

Originally Posted by teeituptom

you come up with such cute cartoons

That cartoon is an example of the neomercantilism that comes from being in bed with gov't. Those insurance companies aren't in contrast to gov't interference in healthcare; they are in collusion with such interference.

Big Health Insurance, inc., can only act the way it does because your gov't took direct steps to ensure that YOU don't have control over who provides you with insurance. Your employers do, and so does the gov't, by the policies it sets.

You have to take what you can get. The result: you aren't the insurance companies' customer: your employer is. They need not cater to you, but to your employer, and to Uncle Daddy.

The result: you are an afterthought. THAT is the role of gov't in your healthcare today. Why on earth would you consider giving the failed policies of 60 yrs of gov't directed financing of healthcare more of a chance to mess up your care? The gov't has failed us for long enough when it comes to financing healthcare.

It's time for a better solution. A time tested solution. It's time to bring the free market back to healthcare.

~faith,
Timothy.

[CRNA2007]

Congress could stop it anyday by just cutting off funding. I guess Nancy Pelosi must not find it too illegal. Please tell us what other companies can provide the services that halliburton can?

Originally Posted by teeituptom

This isnt even necessary

Just stop Bushie and his illegal war, and his and Cheneys friends at Halliburton