[ingelein]

Aren't "WE the people" the government ? If we the people, voted those who we do not trust into the seat of power, should we not blame ourselves?

[pickledpepperRN]

Originally Posted by Jolie

Why place your healthcare in the hands of politicians, many of whom you don't trust?

If you believe the current administration is unfit to manage healthcare, what makes you think the next (and/or Congress) will be any better? Regardless of your political persuasion, it is reasonable to estimate that approximately 1/2 of the time, you will not approve of those who sit in the White House and on Capital Hill. Why would you hand your healthcare over to them? That's a crapshoot I'm not willing to make.

Please tell me how we can be confident that if we end up taken by ambulance to the nearest hospital we will get safe care.

[elkpark]

Originally Posted by Jolie

Why place your healthcare in the hands of politicians, many of whom you don't trust?

If you believe the current administration is unfit to manage healthcare, what makes you think the next (and/or Congress) will be any better? Regardless of your political persuasion, it is reasonable to estimate that approximately 1/2 of the time, you will not approve of those who sit in the White House and on Capital Hill. Why would you hand your healthcare over to them? That's a crapshoot I'm not willing to make.

I trust them a he!! of a lot more than I trust insurance company execs and flunkies ...

[Jolie]

Originally Posted by spacenurse

Please tell me how we can be confident that if we end up taken by ambulance to the nearest hospital we will get safe care.

I'm not sure what you are asking.

Do you believe that only socialized medicine can provide safe care?

[Jolie]

Originally Posted by elkpark

I trust them a he!! of a lot more than I trust insurance company execs and flunkies ...

OK, that's fine,

Spacenurse had indicated that she didn't believe that our elected officials were competent or honest, which made me wonder why she would trust them with her healthcare.

[Jolie]

Originally Posted by ingelein

Aren't "WE the people" the government ? If we the people, voted those who we do not trust into the seat of power, should we not blame ourselves?

Following that line of thought, do you "blame" yourself for the Bush presidency? Will I be to "blame" if/when Clinton or Obama is elected in November?

[ingelein]

Originally Posted by Jolie

Following that line of thought, do you "blame" yourself for the Bush presidency? Will I be to "blame" if/when Clinton or Obama is elected in November?

NO, I would NEVER have voted for Bush, there for I hold no blame.If Obama or Clinton mess up as royally as Bush has then yes, I will be to blame, as I will be voting for either one of them.

[pickledpepperRN]

Originally Posted by Jolie

OK, that's fine,

Spacenurse had indicated that she didn't believe that our elected officials were competent or honest, which made me wonder why she would trust them with her healthcare.

I was specifically responding to a post regarding the VA.
The lack of planning or ability to change the plans in responce to the actual need caused by the increased traumatic head injury survival and mental health problems from the long was with miltiple deployments.

[pickledpepperRN]

Originally Posted by spacenurse
Please tell me how we can be confident that if we end up taken by ambulance to the nearest hospital we will get safe care.

Originally Posted by Jolie

I'm not sure what you are asking.

Do you believe that only socialized medicine can provide safe care?

No that is not at all what I am asking.

Read post #14 where I responded

I am for regulations regarding the physical facility, required equipment and staff, sanitary requirements, isolation, pharmacy regulations, and such.
I can't believe anyone is against this. So what am I missing?

Infection control laws, hospital dietary regulations, the safe staffing by acuity law with the ratio as the maximum number of patients, limitations on unlicensed assistive personnel, a requirment that a competent person observe each cardiac rhythm at all times, fire safety, and all the other regulations.
These are federal, state, and local regulations passed by a legislature, signed by an executive )Predsident or Gocernor) and enforced by a Department of health, public health, or other governmental entity.
I am for the government regulating hospitals.

I really like our regulation that each ER must have a dedicated competent triage RN on duty at all times in every ER.
This RN may NOT have a patient assignment.

[Jolie]

Originally Posted by spacenurse

I fail to understand how an individual who is taken by ambulance to the nearest hospital can make that facility accountable to them.

I am for regulations regarding the physical facility, required equipment and staff, sanitary requirements, isolation, pharmacy regulations, and such.
I can't believe anyong is against this. So what am I missing?

I don't believe anyone indicated that they were against basic safety regulation of healthcare.

The point I was trying to make is that it is preferable to have healthcare institutions be accountable to a number of entities, including the patient him/herself, rather than solely to the government from which 100% of the institutions' funding would come. That appears to create a conflict of interest. For example, would you want to complain about unsafe staffing, unsafe working conditions, unsanitary conditions, etc. (either as a nurse or patient) if you knew there was no where else you could go for employment or healthcare?