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Old Jun 30, 2007, 11:39 AM
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Re: Health Care is a right

Originally Posted by CRNI-ICU20 View Post
DarrenWright,
I don't know what your age is, but you might want to rethink your position on people who were denied THEIR RIGHTS to health care back in the late 80's and early 90's because they developed/acquired HIV-AIDS.....not all of them were gay men...some were the unfortunate folks who received a tainted blood transfusion...some were children who had hemophelia, and could no longer afford Factor 8 for maintaining their life......and their INSURANCE COMPANY DROPPED THEM.... they were denied health care because they no longer had insurance to cover the costs of medical treatment...
In fact, to this day, every insurance company in this nation has a DENIAL department.....people who actually spend their whole day lookin for reasons to DENY a policy holder healthcare coverage....they research all kinds of old records on each and every one of us...they have amazing access to personal information....I think you would be shocked to know what they know about you....right down to how many traffic tickets you have ever had...( I know this to be true, I have a close friend who actually worked for a time in this kind of job....she could tell you what color your pubic hair was!!)
yes...these uninsured could go to XYZ hospital in the middle of the night to some emergency room and gain "access" to medical care....but then those same people are being chastised by even some of us here for using up limited resources for going to the ER 'instead of their doctor'....well if they can't see a doctor because they are refused for not having health care coverage, how are they supposed to get help for their medical needs? There aren't medical clinics in every village...some places are too remote...or medical clinics only treat certain types of illnesses... One thing that is certain, these human beings are just as deserving of health care as a basic human right as you or I....
Why you seen to find this disdainful is a puzzle to me....would you elaborate?
1. Those folks were not denied any rights by any legislative body. And currently, there is more money allocated per disease capita on HIV/AIDS than there are for other more common diseases that take far more lives. Those folks may have been denied financial coverage, but they were never denied any rights, and some have gotten the point I was making; if you are going to blur the definition of "rights" with comparisons like this, then you are opening a huge can of problems where people are going to be demanding money based on this distorted view of "rights."

2. Of course insurance companies have "denial departments." Get this...so does Medicare and Medicaid...the gov't provided system. So does the Canadian payers system. Going single-payer/socialist does not suddenly make denial of claims obsolete. You may actually find denial of claims to increase.

3. Your final comments on the use of emergency dept's for primary access; in a "single-payer"/socialized system like Canada, they are not experiencing some phenomena where people are using primary care physicians instead of ED's because it's a single-payer system. Instead, their ED's are even more overwhelmed than ours because nearly 17% of the population does not have a PCP, and even some that do have a PCP can't get an appointment.

Concluding, your comments really have nothing to do with a legislative right to health care, because what you are doing is defining a right to something as the same as being able to get it for free...and that is not defined as a right in our Constitution.

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Old Jun 30, 2007, 09:52 PM
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Re: Health Care is a right

DarrenWright,
Why don't you answer my question directly?
And, yes...NO LEGISLATIVE body denied HIV patients needed health care...but BLUECROSS did...so did many other insurance carriers....sooo you aren't really being straight here on your rebuttal...
MYquestion to you is why do you find health care for all so disdainful in a society that is clearly suffering and sick??? why is it so hard for you, as a nurse...a bedside nurse, to wrap your mind around the thought that by giving back for the good of the whole, you really are giving back to yourself?
Why do you find that disdainful?

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Old Jun 30, 2007, 10:06 PM
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Re: Health Care is a right

also, what is your solution, or do you think our current system doesn't need fixing?
and btw...
The Supreme Court has looked at certain "rights" if you will, as innate...eventhough they are not specifically written in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution....so making the lame argument that since the mention of health care as a right isn't written there, it really isn't a right....
If that was the case, then you might want to reconsider some of the tort law that argued many many cases on behalf of the patients who were DENIED health care by either their providers, or their insurance companies and WON....apparently the court system tends to differ with you on many instances...

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Old Jul 01, 2007, 01:05 AM
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Re: Health Care is a right

Originally Posted by CRNI-ICU20 View Post
DarrenWright,
Why don't you answer my question directly?
And, yes...NO LEGISLATIVE body denied HIV patients needed health care...but BLUECROSS did...so did many other insurance carriers....sooo you aren't really being straight here on your rebuttal...
MYquestion to you is why do you find health care for all so disdainful in a society that is clearly suffering and sick??? why is it so hard for you, as a nurse...a bedside nurse, to wrap your mind around the thought that by giving back for the good of the whole, you really are giving back to yourself?
Why do you find that disdainful?
1. What question? You asked if I'd care to elaborate, and I did.

2. BlueCross did not deny anyone any rights by any legal definition. I'm being very straight in my comments.

I have never said I found anything disdainful; I'm simply making observations about the definition of a "right." Especially as how it does not apply in the manner people are attempting in this discussion.

So while you are insulting me, you need to realize that the denial of reimbursements and the denial of services is not some trait unique to private insurers and providers. It is also a routine practice of gov't payor programs and gov't providers.

And the denial of services for financial reasons is no more a denial of a right than if I were to demand that the gov't either pay for my guns or provide me with guns and they said no; if this happened, would you suggest that I had been denied a right?

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Old Jul 01, 2007, 10:28 AM
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Re: Health Care is a right

I think these and other corporations should be required to provide the healthcare their customers already paid for. Pay and pay, month after month. Year after year. And then be denied just when you are sick and unable to think.
Why can't we even get them to keep their promises?


http://www.bcchealthplans.com/index....com&roiid=3144

http://p.kaiser-permanente.org/m/p/kp/QHealthCare.html

http://www.aetna.com/members/individ...FRK1YgodpxmjoQ

http://www.assuranthealth.com/corp/a...uranceQuoteNow

http://askoleg.com/pacificare_califo...california.htm

http://www.healthplans.us.com/

http://xnet.kp.org/experience/html/index.html

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Old Jul 01, 2007, 08:53 PM
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Re: Health Care is a right

HEALTH PLAN TO COMPENSATE CONSUMERS AND HOSPITALS FOR ILLEGALLY DENIED CLAIMS
Blue Cross to Review More Than 25,000 Emergency Room Claims: http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/200...jul26a_01.html


State fines Blue Cross $200,000: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...&type=business

...I had a necessary surgery denied by Blue Cross. I personally paid the Columbia Missouri based provider to protect my credit. I sent my case through the MO State Dept. of Insurance which ruled that the claim was denied incorrectly and finally(after two years) Blue Cross paid their share....: http://www.boonvilledailynews.com/ar...news/news3.txt

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Old Jul 18, 2007, 10:08 PM
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Re: Health Care is a right

If it isn't a right then perhaps we should start trading it on the NASDAQ.... oh wait thats already happening.

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Old Aug 10, 2007, 09:55 PM
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I certainly believe health care should be a right not a privilege. Every American citizen should not have to make a career choice based on what type of health benefits they will receive or decide on whether they should go to the doctor because of fears of financial burdens.



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