[HM2Viking]

Originally Posted by DarrenWright

No they don't.

Since I've had friends graduate from that college, I'd like to know the names of these state grants.

PHEAA State Grant

The Pennsylvania Higher Education Assistance Agency’s need-based grant is the College’s largest outside source of need-based financial aid for our students.

The FAFSA must be completed to apply for the PHEAA State Grant by May 1st. For complete information and instructions for completing the FAFSA go to www.pheaa.org.

http://www.gcc.edu/State_Grants___Scholarships.php

[DarrenWright]

PHEAA is an independent agency and is not tax-supported. The money those students receive does not come from tax revenue.

These may be labeled "state grants," but this in no way correlates with your claim that GCC takes "state tax dollars indirectly."

PHEAA's income is derived from interest revenue and business activity, not from the taxpayers. Sorry to point out your presumptive error.

[HM2Viking]

Originally Posted by DarrenWright

PHEAA is an independent agency and is not tax-supported. The money those students receive does not come from tax revenue.

These may be labeled "state grants," but this in no way correlates with your claim that GCC takes "state tax dollars indirectly."

PHEAA's income is derived from interest revenue and business activity, not from the taxpayers. Sorry to point out your presumptive error.

Not a presumptive error... Who provided the seed money for PHEAA? More than likely it was initially funded by the legislature of PA which does make it a stater source of revenue.

[KellNY]

If you want to get really into it, I'd be willing to make a bet that at least one student in all GCC's years came from a family who received welfare cash assistance and/or Earned Income Credit, and that some of that money went into paying for the tuition, thus funding GCC with tax dollars, admittedly indirectly.

Or that some of the students at one time were on medicaid and/or received food stamps that enabled them to succeed in high school, thus earning the above average grades required to attend this institution, thus PA tax money indirectly benefitting (though not being paid to) GCC.

If you wanna get really into it, that is.

But this is a religious institution that makes a very specific point to be as independant as possible--really that seems to be a large part of their gimmik, their draw. That makes this, IMO, a moot point.

[DarrenWright]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

Not a presumptive error... Who provided the seed money for PHEAA? More than likely it was initially funded by the legislature of PA which does make it a stater source of revenue.

But you don't know that, and there is not one single reference to support your "more-than-likely." Facts are essential. PHEAA started out as a loan guarantor company, not as a grant provider. The fact is that it is not a tax-funded agency.

Kell's post is just splitting hairs. And it's as relevant as saying that a church organization should be subject to government oversight because a welfare recipient made a donation to a religious cause.

[HM2Viking]

If I really wanted to I could go dig up the legislative history to list out the enabling legislation to show the history of the program.

However the website of the college directly references "state" grants which in and of itself implies taxpayer involvement in funding of student education.

FWIW borrowing money at a higher interest rate from "alternative" loans to attend school advances the broad interests of neither the student or society.

[Lisa CCU RN]

Originally Posted by spacenurse

How about required education for people on welfare? Not just hand outs because too many don't read well.
Seems all the sources recomment beans.
I love beans! They do need a grain such as rice or wheat.

Chili over corn bread - red beans and rice, YUM!


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=15691

http://nutrition.suite101.com/articl...ng_on_a_budget

http://www.peertrainer.com/LoungeCom...ThreadID=41708

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ed_budget.html

It's funny you say that. In TN, I've heard that they are removing school as a way to qualify for families first. Now all you can do is work 40 hours, but guess what? Working 40 hours a week at McDonald's disqualifies you for TANF and they offer no health insurance benefits and you CANNOT live off of it if you are single.

I am one of those people who is attending school and is using benefits to survive. I get food stamps and medicaid. I wanted comment on the food stamp deal too. You don't have to pay to get food stamps and I have always gotten MORE than enough food, even fresh fruits and veggies with them.
I wish that my children's father would take responsibilty for them, but I can't control his inaction. All I can do is go to school and graduate and take care of my kids. I am glad that there are programs to help people who really need it.

[DarrenWright]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

If I really wanted to I could go dig up the legislative history to list out the enabling legislation to show the history of the program.

However the website of the college directly references "state" grants which in and of itself implies taxpayer involvement in funding of student education.

FWIW borrowing money at a higher interest rate from "alternative" loans to attend school advances the broad interests of neither the student or society.

Doesn't matter what is implied.

What matters is the TRUTH, and the truth is that it is NOT a tax-funded program, and it is not operated by the gov't. It operates without taking a dime of taxpayer money. And don't tell me what you COULD do, show me what you've done. Enabling legislation has nothing to do with it; what matters is the source of funding, especially in this discussion where you've clearly claimed that the college is a recipient of tax dollars when such is simply not the case.

Your observation on loans is not relevant to this discussion. While I don't disagree with the modern process of taking on huge debt for school, I personally have never taken this route and think that taking out more than a few dollars in educational loans is simply not a good financial strategy.

[DarrenWright]

Originally Posted by CRNASOMEDAY25

It's funny you say that. In TN, I've heard that they are removing school as a way to qualify for families first. Now all you can do is work 40 hours, but guess what? Working 40 hours a week at McDonald's disqualifies you for TANF and they offer no health insurance benefits and you CANNOT live off of it if you are single.

I am one of those people who is attending school and is using benefits to survive. I get food stamps and medicaid. I wanted comment on the food stamp deal too. You don't have to pay to get food stamps and I have always gotten MORE than enough food, even fresh fruits and veggies with them.
I wish that my children's father would take responsibilty for them, but I can't control his inaction. All I can do is go to school and graduate and take care of my kids. I am glad that there are programs to help people who really need it.

I am incredibly happy there are programs to help fine citizens like you.

I am disappointed that there are too many loopholes which cultivate the lack of responsibility exercised by your children's father.

BTW, why would the Democrats, who hold the majority in the Tennessee house and senate, disenfranchise the hard-working student?

[Lisa CCU RN]

Originally Posted by DarrenWright

I am incredibly happy there are programs to help fine citizens like you.

I am disappointed that there are too many loopholes which cultivate the lack of responsibility exercised by your children's father.

BTW, why would the Democrats, who hold the majority in the Tennessee house and senate, disenfranchise the hard-working student?

Don't know. I am shocked myself about that, but it's a shame.

Seriuosly, I went to work at McDonalds's at 6.50 an hour and was dropped from families first! I just don't see how that works. That's only $1040 a month. Plus, they really won't let you work fulltime, so it was even less and you HAVE to be in an activity 40 hours a week. Part time school didn't count, so you had to go fulltime. I am in nursing school fulltime during the day, and I don't have daycare at night, so when do I work? Babysitter's cost minimun of 8.50 an hour. Then if you work, they give you less support, so right now, if I were on families first, I'd be SOL because SCHOOL DOESN'T COUNT! I'm just glad I graduate in December.

Then they let the kid's father get away from his responsibility. If he did his part, we wouldn't need any help because he is supposed to be paying for their insurance and my main need is daycare-- I could handle the rest.