[Jennyw45013]

has anyone on here even seen the movie?


It doesn't matter what is thought of MM. My thought is, whatever puts the topic out there and starts dialouge. We are nurses and we deal with the healthcare/insurance issues ALL the time. There are many people who are completely oblivious to it. I do think that there is individual responsibility, but i have been poor. like eating ramen noodles dirt poor. i have had to house homeless friends and there kids. i know what it is like to choose food vs. insurance. there has to be a solution and if this movie makes people think or talk about it then that is helpful in itself.

[DarrenWright]

If you have to misrepresent a position to spur discussion, then you need to leave the issue to more honest and qualified people. Especially if all you can do to justify the millions you will make is claim morality on the basis of 'spurring discussion.'

That's MM's strategy; he criticizes the system from a pulpit of activism, and then when MM or his crowd are called out for their disinenuity, they attempt to claim the cover of "satire."

It's blatantly unethical. If we practiced medicine with the same set of morals that MM applies, we'd be able to justify anything we did based on outcome alone, without worrying much about the equally important process. i.e. who cares if that nurse stole the leftover morphine instead of wasting it? The patient got theirs, and the nurse didn't hurt anyone.

[HM2Viking]

Its very easy to exhaust the medical coverage for auto insurance. 100,000 for a major medical case is nothing. After the auto insurance medical is exhausted who will pay for care? By then many patients will have lost their jobs and their health coverage. At that time cost of care defaults to a combination of medicaid, and cost shifting to the insured by raising fees for other patients. Short answer is that we end up paying more for less under our current system.

[DarrenWright]

[quote=HM2Viking;2241776]By then many patients will have lost their jobs and their health coverage. quote]

Any research or reference to support this?

[Spidey's mom]

Originally Posted by DarrenWright

If you have to misrepresent a position to spur discussion, then you need to leave the issue to more honest and qualified people. Especially if all you can do to justify the millions you will make is claim morality on the basis of 'spurring discussion.'

That's MM's strategy; he criticizes the system from a pulpit of activism, and then when MM or his crowd are called out for their disinenuity, they attempt to claim the cover of "satire."

It's blatantly unethical. If we practiced medicine with the same set of morals that MM applies, we'd be able to justify anything we did based on outcome alone, without worrying much about the equally important process. i.e. who cares if that nurse stole the leftover morphine instead of wasting it? The patient got theirs, and the nurse didn't hurt anyone.

This is exactly the point!

There is a huge discussion going on in this country about healthcare already. There are many discussions just here on allnurses.

I don't need MM's twisted viewpoints based on spinning, misrepresenting, and outright lying.

steph

[Jennyw45013]

again, has anyone seen the movie??? i will not criticize until i have.....

[dria]

I have not yet seen the movie, nor do I plan to.
I am sure it is more far left conspiracy theory ala Farenheit 911.
HM2...I'm sure you will enjoy the movie.

I do hope that Michael Moore is bought up on charges for breaking the US travel ban to Cuba...but that is another thread entirely.

[ZASHAGALKA]

Originally Posted by dria

I do hope that Michael Moore is bought up on charges for breaking the US travel ban to Cuba...but that is another thread entirely.

Journalists are exempt from the travel ban. If he had enough press credentials to get into the 2004 Republican National Convention (and he did), then he has enough credentials to escape any sort of prosecution for going to Cuba.

Besides, if we REALLY wanted to see healthcare dramatically improved, I'm all in favor of lifting the ban on Cuba entirely. You'd see a remarkable improvement in healthcare in a short time. In Cuba, of course.

Remember, you don't have to be an unbiased journalist to be a journalist.

As much as I dislike MM, I'm not for violating a free press to get him. Let him have his say.

~faith,
Timothy.

[Spidey's mom]

Originally Posted by ZASHAGALKA

As much as I dislike MM, I'm not for violating a free press to get him. Let him have his say.

~faith,
Timothy.

Oh absolutely . . . . . I would never say he isn't allowed to have his say. I just get to comment on his "say".

steph

[pickledpepperRN]

Timothy & Steph, I agree!
Soon we will be able to just click "Thanks":

If you havent seen the preview yet.http://allnurses.com/forums/f207/dis...gn-229036.html