[hogan4736]

Originally Posted by ZASHAGALKA

But if you leave the door to your wedding wide open, AND make no real attempt to distinguish between your wedding guests and the crashers, isn't this a problem of your OWN making? Indeed, if you leave the door open BECAUSE you were hoping for uninvited guests to fill out the 'party' (for whatever reason, maybe you were just hoping the wallflowers would get invited to dance), isn't that DOUBLY your fault that indeed, they come in to do just that?

~faith,
Timothy.

yes we opened our doors...

but where does personal responsibility come in?

In "Cinderella Man" Braddock returned the money the state gave him, after he became a success...My point is, is it okay to keep taking from the taxpayers, and sending the cash money you earn (possibly under the table) back home?

[gauge14iv]

Originally Posted by hogan4736

yes we opened our doors...

but where does personal responsibility come in?

In "Cinderella Man" Braddock returned the money the state gave him, after he became a success...My point is, is it okay to keep taking from the taxpayers, and sending the cash money you earn (possibly under the table) back home?

No - however -

Since we enable them to do just that, then we have created the situation to alllow it to occur. We are reaping what policy has sowed. We have created an antire population of dependant people and told them it's ok - heck we have even ENCOURAGED it!

[weirdRN]

I think that until we as a nation decide what is good for us and make it impossible for special intrest groups to influence the decisions made by politicians, there is not going to be a fair or equitable resolution to this arguement.

How much money do we send over seas everyday?

When will Social Security become insolvent because of it?

[charebec65]

Originally Posted by Mayflye

Just a note...my friend's father is an emergency room physician in Mexico. They do not treat Americans with no insurance (they get lots of vacationers there)..even on an emergency basis. Cash only.

How very true..... we were talking to a friend of ours the other day who is getting ready to go to Mexico. Someone she knew had gotten hurt while doing some kind of water sport while he and his wife were in Mexico and needed emergency treatment. The hospital required a $10,000 CASH payment up front before they would treat him!!!!!

[pickledpepperRN]

Originally Posted by TheCommuter

No offense is intended, but I wholly agree with this new law. I am from California, a state that has been financially devastated by providing costly services such as healthcare, education, and social programs to illegal immigrants.

Six years ago I was a grocery store clerk in a city that had a large immigrant population. I would cash the payroll checks of these individuals who always provided a resident alien card as a form of identification. The groceries would be paid for with food stamps, the baby formula and cereals would be paid for with WIC vouchers, and a welfare check would be cashed at the end of the entire transaction. The aforementioned scenario would occur multiple times throughout my workshifts at the supermarket. My honest opinion is that illegal immigrants utilize more services than they reasonably pay for.

I may be wrong but think the same people cashing payroll checks probably didn't cash a welfare check at the end of the transaction.

A person with a valid resident alien card is not an illegal immigrant.
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Definition of Common Immigration Terms
Immigrant =green card holder=resident alien=permanent resident an alien who has been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence. Essentially has the same rights and obligations as a U.S. citizen with the exceptions of voting, holding certain public offices and employment by federal agencies in civil service positions.
http://www.grads.vt.edu/igss/general...finitions.html

Here is the UNC-OP definition for Resident Alien - Persons who are not citizens or nationals of the United States but who have been lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States and hold a "green card" - Form I-151. and who have been admitted as legal immigrants for the purpose of obtaining permanent resident alien status
http://www2.acs.ncsu.edu/UPA/tools/attrition/index.htm

[gauge14iv]

Originally Posted by spacenurse

A person with a valid resident alien card is not an illegal immigrant.

They could be an illegal immigeant if they used fake documents to obtain that card.

By the same token - the immigration system is very difficult and expensive to navigate. If we want them here legally - that would be easy enough to do - we could have them be protected by wage and labor laws, paying taxes and paying for the sersvices they receive - making the immigration system easier to would be one way to do that - but then they would no longer be a cheap source of slave labor.

[TheCommuter]

Originally Posted by spacenurse

I may be wrong but think the same people cashing payroll checks probably didn't cash a welfare check at the end of the transaction.

Well, you're wrong. Seventy percent of all welfare recipients are employed; however, they're employed at so-called 'bad jobs'.
http://www.upjohninst.org/publicatio...0employed'

[Katnip]

Originally Posted by ZASHAGALKA

Not Law, Health and Human Services regulations based upon a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment.

Regulations are not Law. One is a set of rules, the other, actual legislation. The issue merely needs a clarification by Congress. And there is a push, of late, to do just that.

~faith,
Timothy.

I for one wholeheartedly hope this clarification comes soon. It annoys the heck out of me that just because you happen to be born in the US you are considered a citizen. Makes no sense. If you're parents are citizens or legal, permanent residents, that's different.

There are pregnant women who will fly here-first class mind you-from south of the border, have their babies here-courtesy of US dollars, they don't pay for the care-and fly back home until baby is older. Absolutely ridiculous.

[SaharaOnyxRN]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

Very poor public policy because while some family members may be "illegal" what will happen to their children who are born here? (They are citizens by definition)

If we cut off access to vaccination programs we are putting other children at risk

I am not advocating an open door for immigration but I do think that we need to provide basic medical care for people. The demand for illegal workers is driven by business. Make it very expensive for businesses to be caught hiring illegals and we will reduce the number of immigrants.

I agree with you there. I am against illegal immigration. But, I agree, we with you on that. If we don't vaccinate then that puts all children at risk. I wonder how many of the migrant children in my daughter's school would test positive if they got a TB skin test. That's another issue that I wonder about.

[SaharaOnyxRN]

Originally Posted by zias

To me, it is not OK to allow healthcare to people who are not citizens of the United States unless we also give this benefit to all the hard working Americans who are uninsured and underinsured. Too many fall in the gap where they make too much for state aid, but not enough to afford their health insurance. That's shameful. It's kind of like letting people who crash a wedding sit down and eat the expensive catered dinner for free, while telling the legitimate, invited guests with an invitation, that they need to pay for their dinner.

You hit the nail on the head there. I've been screaming this for ages. I remember when I was a nursing student (and typically broke) and I had to have a physical. Well, I've always been low-income, so I never had insurance. I remember being required to get this physical for the upper division of nursing school. Well, the doctor wanted me to get some nuclear work done to rule out thyroid abnormalities. Needless to say, the bill was through the roof for this medical procedure and my student insurance did not pay any of it. The hospital where I had the procedure done harrassed me about the $600 bill. I offered to pay what I could on a monthly basis and they refused to accept it. Now, i wasn't working, so I couldn't pay much, but at least I was willing to do something. Well, they told me that they couldn't accept anything under $100/month and would forward it to a collection agency. You know what? I didn't stop them. I was fed up. I told that lady, "Well, I suppose if I was an illegal immigrant, then I wouldn't have to pay anything would I?" The lady said not another word. And the collection agency gave up on me.

But you know I shouldn't have to go through that. I'm not some welfare chick getting over. I was a low-income student trying to better my life, but I guess I don't get any breaks. But all you need is to be an illegal immigrant and you get the whole shabang.