[elish954]

I guess the bottom line is.... Thank our government. Let's face it. If you are big business, there are more bucks to be made if you can get away from paying the US Citizens a decent rage. Hire illegal immigrants. No problem. Nothing will happen to you.

I am so tired of hearing that they cannot find American workers who are willing to do these jobs. Well. Duh. Who can afford to live on the wages paid to these illegals. I know of situations where they have numerous illegals living under one roof like packed sardines.


Also look at how many jobs are being lost in our country to China, Mexico, India etc. Guess we can thank our government for this situation as well.

I agree with the post that stated concern about there not be any SS available for our generation after all the years of paying into it. Oops. Could the government have anything to do with this also????? Many of our generation will have their retirements taken away also. Scary. Isn't it.


Nough said.

[pickledpepperRN]

A car company can move it's factories to Mexico and claim it's a free market.
A toy company can out source to a Chinese subcontractor and claim it's a free market.
A shoe company can produce its shoes in south east Asia and claim it's a free market.
A major bank can incorporate in Bermuda to avoid taxes and claim it's a free market.
We can buy HP Printers made in Mexico .
We can buy shirts made in Bangladesh .
We can purchase almost anything we want from 20 different countries

BUT, heaven help the senior citizens who dare to buy their prescription drugs from a Canadian pharmacy. That's called un-American! And you think the pharmaceutical companies don 't have a powerful lobby?

[multicollinearity]

I don't believe it that Americans won't do these jobs even if the wage were a bit higher. Recently I heard Senator John McCain saying that Americans won't do these jobs, such as picking fruits and veggies. He said if the jobs paid $20 per hour - Americans still wouldn't do it. I say BUNK! My own grandmother picked lettuce every season. So did my grandfather. Finances were tight, but they had a car, and owned their own home and provided for their 2 kids. My point...yes...Americans would do these jobs if they could exist on the wages. Big business doesn't want to pay the wages. Yes, it would raise the prices for our produce. I'd pay more though, as a consumer, to support a society that pays AMERICANS a living wage.

[pickledpepperRN]

My folks was Okies. Lots was farm workers. We was born in the USA. (Grammar used as humor. My grandparents talked like that.)
http://www.answers.com/topic/okie

[Nitngale]

Originally Posted by RebeccaOne

So...considering all the posts & passions expressed above...what are you all doing, in terms of political support, fundraising, donations and activism...to help change anything in the USA? To move things toward whichever direction you support? Are there any true activists among us? I'm just curious...

I try. I write, phone and e mail my useless congressman and senators (it really doesn't matter what party they are----their loyalty is to the business that pay for their reelection campaigns) almost once a week. The money spent on illegals far out way anything they pay into the system. Most of the ones I know, and living in CA there are many, don't pay any taxes at all. They work under the table for cash. I say fine the companies that hire them 10,000 a head and charge them a felony for each one they employ illegally. My boss hires some for weeks at time then they go back to Mexico. I asked him how they could afford paying a coyote etc. He laughed, and said they fly in. Remember also that the 20 billion a year that is sent to their 'home' is money not spent here. In many cases my heart goes out to the poor left in Mexico, but as I told my boss, there is no reason why Mexico couldn't have the same standard of living as we do, if they would take all that energy and get a government in that actually cared about the citizens. In the meantime we have real AMERICANS here that could use that assistance, oh maybe New Orleans. The end result is this, the United States of America, has become the United Business' of America. Read a book called "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" by Gary Allen. It was written in the 60's and I read it in the 80's. He talks about the goal of one world government and how the first step is to lower the standard of living in America and raise the standard of living in the third world. Sound familiar?

[Nitngale]

Originally Posted by multicollinarity

I don't believe it that Americans won't do these jobs even if the wage were a bit higher. Recently I heard Senator John McCain saying that Americans won't do these jobs, such as picking fruits and veggies. He said if the jobs paid $20 per hour - Americans still wouldn't do it. I say BUNK! My own grandmother picked lettuce every season. So did my grandfather. Finances were tight, but they had a car, and owned their own home and provided for their 2 kids. My point...yes...Americans would do these jobs if they could exist on the wages. Big business doesn't want to pay the wages. Yes, it would raise the prices for our produce. I'd pay more though, as a consumer, to support a society that pays AMERICANS a living wage.

You're right, that is a load of crap and McCain is just a lackey trying to look moderate to get elected president. I work for 7.50 an hour plus tips delivering pizza (I start LVN school soon, eventually RN) and there are many other Americans in the same boat. That is what I'm afraid they will try to do with nursing.

[Mary Austin]

Great Post and right on!

[rjw4law]

Where do I begin??? FIRST OF ALL HOOOORAY FOR COLORODO!!!
I believe it is all about culture, language and borders...no I am not a racist.just a law abiding citizen..I firmly believe America is great because we all immigrated here LEGALLY and built this fine country without welfare, without food stamps. Our forefathers came here and worked, and worked hard they did ....we became the best in the world....All of our ancestors did not come here to create a new Russia, a new China, a new Persia, a New France etc...They ASSIMILATED...ADOPTED the NEW WORLD'S CUSTOMS ..Those that came to the USA came here to be Americans....We are Americans by our CULTURE...LANGUAGE AND MAINTAINING the integrety of our BORDERS.
This was the MELTING POT.... The Melting pot no longer exists....I have spoken to many an illegal who proudly state they will take back America from the Gringo by sheer numbers of them coming here. As one writer stated what about their children that are born here and are instant citizens.
Let us rember...they were born here through an illegal act of the parents being in this country illegally. I think every illegal and there children should be deported immediately...the children gained citizenship illegally through their parents illegal acts....Check out the laws of MEXICO and see what happens to you if you are in that country illegally...At least Mexico respects their own borders and keeps illegals out .... those who get in....not a pretty sight!
I APPLAUD Colorado, I hope other states wake up and follow suit....believe me California will be the last to do so.

[pickledpepperRN]

History is way more complicated.
The Spanish and English, among others did not assimilate.
The term Gringo originated when Mexicans in Texas before the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo made fun of illegal United States immigrants singing "Green Grow the Lilacs". Some of these illegal immigrants to Mexico believed they owned their fellow homans.

Some of us have ancestors who did not come here in historic times. Others did not come willingly.

[Nitngale]

Originally Posted by spacenurse

History is way more complicated.
The Spanish and English, among others did not assimilate.
The term Gringo originated when Mexicans in Texas before the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo made fun of illegal United States immigrants singing "Green Grow the Lilacs". Some of these illegal immigrants to Mexico believed they owned their fellow homans.

Some of us have ancestors who did not come here in historic times. Others did not come willingly.

Maybe they didn't assimilate during the 1800's (and it would have been the Mexicans and Americans not the Spainish and English) but the early Mexicans did. Today's immigrants have no desire to assimilate since very few have any desire to become citizens. My brother in law is Mexican, and his family has been here since the 1920's. The 'Illegal immigrants to Mexico" were invited by the Mexican government and they recruited Southerners to include their slaves. As for not coming here willingly you're right. There were many from Europe brought here as indentured servants or prisoners to the state of Georgia. The difference is NO one has to stay here. Anyone is free to leave at anytime. Those that chose to go back and start Liberia for some reason never severed their ties to the US and named many of their children after presidents of the US.