[pickledpepperRN]

Enforce labor lawe so contractors have to pay wages, OT, and all required deductions for their employees.

[jenmcd]

We treat undocumented aliens better in this country than they are treated in their own country. I live in So California and I see the devastation to people born in this country and people who are here illegally. Another topic: As soon as the foreiners get here, they bring their parents here. They go to the Social Security Office and the parents are put on Social Security benefits. If you ever visit the office you will see people of all nationalities waiting to get their benefits and have not worked a day in this country. Hospitals are closing in California because illegals can walk into a hospital and are treated. They do not pay for services. Women wait in their cars and go into the hospital and have their babies. Now they are citizens and the Mom goes and applies for welfare as soon as she gets the birth certificate......

[shawnrj]

Originally Posted by TrudyRN

On point, WE allow illegals to come here for a stated purpose: to do the work Americans will not do at that price. We are shamelessly taking advantage of their home situations.

How unethical is it to recruit people here so that we can treat them WORSE then we would treat any of our own (who are protected by minimum wage laws.)? We could close our borders almost immediately. We do not, and that is a political decision.


Who says Americans wouldn't do the work? I agree it is unethical to recruit them and then maltreat them. Blame it on greedy business owners.

I just have to put my two cents in on this. First off, I presently work in a law firm as a Paralegal and many of our clients are in this country illegally. We do employment law among other things. They from Mexico or El Salvador and use social security cards with some legal person's SS number to get work. Most of the employers know they are illegal but don't care because our Gov't does not enforce the law. The truth is that these illegal's drive down the wages which affect legal workers because they will work for less. That is a negative, not a positive. They know that using a fake SS card with a legal person's number is illegal, but they don't care. I had a friend who was contacted by the IRS informing him that he owed back taxes from employment that he did not even have. His number was used by an illegal immigrant. Another negative. There has been Emergency rooms shut down in SoCal because they ran out of money "mostly" due to treating illegals without insurance.

Another thing, they are protected by employment laws. These people are in this country illegally, use fake SS cards to get a job, illegally. Some are discriminated, wrongfully terminated for reasons including becoming injured at work and filing for workers' compensation. Okay, what is wrong here? They should not have had the job in the first place because they are illegal but they can still sue. They still can receive workers' comp benefits and state disability for becoming injured on a job that they legally were not supposed to have. Our country only cares about others, not it's own.

[jenni82104]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how can an someone who is here illegally get social security?

[shawnrj]

Originally Posted by jenni82104

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how can an someone who is here illegally get social security?

They cannot, as far as I know. People from other countries come here legally and bring their elderly parents who have never worked a day in their life here in the U.S. and do get Social Security. Grant you, it is not a lot, maybe $200 or $400 a month, but they still get it which is wrong in my opinion.

[omeconium]

Originally Posted by ZASHAGALKA

They shouldn't be citizens by definition. That is a bad intepretation of a Constitutional Amendment meant for a different group altogether and that has a TWO FOLD test: born here AND subject to our laws.

On point, WE allow illegals to come here for a stated purpose: to do the work Americans will not do at that price. We are shamelessly taking advantage of their home situations.

How unethical is it to recruit people here so that we can treat them WORSE then we would treat any of our own (who are protected by minimum wage laws.)? We could close our borders almost immediately. We do not, and that is a political decision.

So, now that we've DECIDED, by lack of enforcement, to allow these people here so that we can treat them less then what we have already legally defined as basic human dignity, laws like this merely add insult to the considerable injury we already envisioned for them.

Simply put, illegal immigration is slavery by another name.

http://allnurses.com/forums/f112/not...ry-171314.html

~faith,
Timothy.

They risk life and limb to get here. That dosen't sound too much like slavery. How would you solve the problem of sucking our medical tax dollars? Some hard decisions are going to have to be made. I applaud your Gov.

[shawnrj]

I don't believe we are taking advantage of them at all. They are not slave labor. They chose to come here illegally, we did not bring them here. They are unskilled and gratefully do low wage jobs because honestly, they have it better here than in Mexico or El Salvador and everyone of them will tell you that. If it were not true, why would they come here? Believe me, not ALL of them do the work that Americans would not do. I see them working in fast food restaurants, sit down restaurants, Walmart, etc. and I know for a fact that many are illegal. The only jobs they do that most Americans do not want to do is working in many textile factories and in the agricultural fields. Believe me, there are many legal non-hispanics working in factories and assembly lines in America. Who do you think did these jobs before the illegal hispanics had them?

Getting back to the original topic, I personally believe that we should not turn away healthcare from children of illegal immigrants that were born in this country. The law is the law and if someone is born on U.S. soil, they are an American citizen. Why punish a child of illegals for being born here? Now, I believe that an adult who is here illegally should be turned away unless it is life threatening and they would die if turned away, that is inhumane.

[shawnrj]

Originally Posted by shawnrj

They cannot, as far as I know. People from other countries come here legally and bring their elderly parents who have never worked a day in their life here in the U.S. and do get Social Security. Grant you, it is not a lot, maybe $200 or $400 a month, but they still get it which is wrong in my opinion.

I take it back on how much they get in SS. Our legal Secty's mother came over here from Iran and she became a citizen. Even though she has never worked a day of her life in the U.S., she get $879 a month in SS. When she turned 65, she received something in the mail from Social Security Admin. to start SS. I believe it's SSI.

[shawnrj]

My mother is from Canada and has worked here for the last 43 years and she only gets $825 a month in Social Security. What's wrong with that?

[brax881]

Originally Posted by hope3456

Effective Aug. 1, state services, including the state health plans and welfare, will no longer be given to illegal immigrants in Colorado. This law, enacted by Gov. Bill Owens, in considered the 'toughest in the nation' and other states are expected to follow suit.

http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?O...7-c589c01ca7bf

As sad as this may sound, I feel it is actually a step in the right direction. How many other countries do you think give out free healthcare to none citizens? I have a friend who vacationed in Mexico and was knocked out for a brief moment (a volleyball hit her in the head), when she went to the medical facility they refused to see her, because she did not have cash or a credit card. I feel the United States should take care of it’s own, especially people who have worked their whole lives, and paid taxes, like the elderly. I feel sorry for them, the cost of prescriptions is outrageous, not to mention doctors visits. Many elderly people that should take a medication daily are taking them every other day, because of cost. Some have even stopped taking medication all together, because they can’t afford it. I hope the money Colorado saves will be put to good use. I feel feel so many US citizens go without basic healthcare and we need to take care of our own first.

When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before
Mae West