[RebeccaJeanRN]

Originally Posted by StNeotser

What have you personally done to improve your country? I don't mean in the sense of how you have changed your own circumstances, but the whole country. I find that statement a little strange as, if one is an impoverished individual in a poor country there is often very little that person can do to change anything. Possibly all they can do is change their own personal circumstances.

Life is a birth lottery, don't you know.

Therein lies the conundrum...life is truly unfair and more than cruel to many, but our country can't possibly take in a free flowing poverty underclass coming over the boarder by the millions. It will kill life in the United States as we know it. And it won't take very much longer to do that. How to remain compassionate- because I DO believe what you have posted just above- without sacrificing our country...this is what haunts me personally. My answer to this is to provide the kindest of loving care to those that I encounter, while I support activism to close the borders and to change our constitutional interpretation so we stop 'anchor babies'. Its the best middle ground position I can come up with. Not the perfect answer, but the best I think we can do.

[multicollinearity]

Originally Posted by RebeccaOne

Therein lies the conundrum...life is truly unfair and more than cruel to many, but our country can't possibly take in a free flowing poverty underclass coming over the boarder by the millions. It will kill life in the United States as we know it. And it won't take very much longer to do that. How to remain compassionate- because I DO believe what you have posted just above- without sacrificing our country...this is what haunts me personally. My answer to this is to provide the kindest of loving care to those that I encounter, while I support activism to close the borders and to change our constitutional interpretation so we stop 'anchor babies'. Its the best middle ground position I can come up with. Not the perfect answer, but the best I think we can do.

This is exactly how I feel. I have volunteered at a clinic that primarily serves illegal aliens. I will respond as best as I can, personally, to be kind to those who are here already and have needs. I will NOT however support taxation of the citizens of the US to provide for those who are here illegally. I WILL support any measures that close the border to illegal immigration. It is one thing to give of yourself voluntarily to those in need. It is quite another to press for and vote for policies that tell your fellow citizens, "open up your paycheck and pay for welfare and healthcare and education for illegal aliens." That is just wrong on so many levels.

We need to take better care of our own citizens first through public benefits. Illegals should not benefit from US citizens hard earned wages. Yes this is harsh, and yes life is a crap-shoot lottery and/or hell based upon where you are born. This is reality. I continue to be amazed at those who think we should fix all of South America. They can only fix themselves. Revolution from within. If that ever happens...it will take decades if not centuries.

[multicollinearity]

Think we can fix this?

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles...06203909990001

Think again.

[StNeotser]

Originally Posted by cyberkat

True, it's difficult for an individual to make changes. But if all the illegal immigrants that marched in the US actually got together with the thousands of others trying to get in here in their OWN country then they could make some positive changes.

You're right, and I think such collective organizations of workers are normally called Unions.

[caroladybelle]

Originally Posted by StNeotser

You're right, and I think such collective organizations of workers are normally called Unions.

Actually the term workers was never used. Groups of people that have like opinions on social, financial, political change for the Nation in which they are citizens are better compared to political parties, PACs, etc.

For that matter, many of those that illegally immigrating here could form unions there, if their main interest is employment issues. Someone has to start the movement even if it involves risk - that it how it has occurred in our nation and others.

[coopsc1]

I have to say that this post has kept me occupied for the past hour. I actually live in Colorado and see all of this stuff on a daily basis. I try not to let all of this "stuff" get to me but I have to say that when some one shows up to the pharmacy with a medicaid card and does not speak english, my bloodpressure rises instantly. I am a pharmacist, and my fiance as well, and together we pay in SOOO much taxes. While in school we both dished out 2k a piece for health insurance for 4 years and the coverage sucked. No labs, ER visits, etc.. Then I see all of these small children coming into the pharmacy with a sniffle and a $75 zithromax prescription and it really frustrates me. When I was growing up we did not go to the doctor unless we NEEDED to go to the doctor. And now with 200K (together) in student loans we have a huge debt to pay off and it makes it frustrating to go to work and deal with these citizens. Just wanted to put in my 2 cents.....oh and I thought that was funny about Minnesota being culturally diverse. My fiance is basically from there and it is the whitest place in America.

Just ranting

[coopsc1]

I have to say that this post has kept me occupied for the past hour. I actually live in Colorado and see all of this stuff on a daily basis. I try not to let all of this "stuff" get to me but I have to say that when some one shows up to the pharmacy with a medicaid card and does not speak english, my bloodpressure rises instantly. I am a pharmacist, and my fiance as well, and together we pay in SOOO much taxes. While in school we both dished out 2k a piece for health insurance for 4 years and the coverage sucked. No labs, ER visits, etc.. Then I see all of these small children coming into the pharmacy with a sniffle and a $75 zithromax prescription and it really frustrates me. When I was growing up we did not go to the doctor unless we NEEDED to go to the doctor. And now with 200K (together) in student loans we have a huge debt to pay off and it makes it frustrating to go to work and deal with these citizens. Just wanted to put in my 2 cents.....oh and I thought that was funny about Minnesota being culturally diverse. My fiance is basically from there and it is the whitest place in America.

Just ranting

[coopsc1]

I have to say that this post has kept me occupied for the past hour. I actually live in Colorado and see all of this stuff on a daily basis. I try not to let all of this "stuff" get to me but I have to say that when some one shows up to the pharmacy with a medicaid card and does not speak english, my bloodpressure rises instantly. I am a pharmacist, and my fiance as well, and together we pay in SOOO much taxes. While in school we both dished out 2k a piece for health insurance for 4 years and the coverage sucked. No labs, ER visits, etc.. Then I see all of these small children coming into the pharmacy with a sniffle and a $75 zithromax prescription and it really frustrates me. When I was growing up we did not go to the doctor unless we NEEDED to go to the doctor. And now with 200K (together) in student loans we have a huge debt to pay off and it makes it frustrating to go to work and deal with these citizens. Just wanted to put in my 2 cents.....oh and I thought that was funny about Minnesota being culturally diverse. My fiance is basically from there and it is the whitest place in America.

Just ranting

[Bindy]

I believe in Immigration, just not the illegal "kind". I am a ER nurse, I do a lot of agency work so I circulate. I see so much of illegal immigrants that are flooding the ER's. Not only that but they demand to be seem in a real brazen way. They know what they can get away with. The hammock will eventually break and then what? Health Care is already going bankrupt. ANd as far as the jobs.....my husband is a carpenter, works for himself, pays taxes and business insurance and advertising. He wants a viable small business......but he can't. He is being underbidded by Contractors that use illegals while they watch them sweat from their brand new pick-ups. They don't lift a finger, just smoke a pack of cigarettes watching them do grunt work....then pay them nothing so 30 of them have to live in one house. So needless to say, my husband doesn't work much, he won't do this type of practice, so, hence, I work 50-60 hrs a week to get by and never see our kids. Illegals are killing me too. It just isn't right. Let's send this thread to Bush, because he is doing nothing right now about our borders.........and it is only going to get worse.

Bindy

PS: Sorry for rambling, but it's the only therapy I can afford........I don't get free health care.

[twograce]

you know I think we should do a little more advocating. after all, the united states is built on immigrants. Our ancestors were all immagrants. or have we all forgotten this. if they are illegal, make them legal and then they can pay like the rest of us have to do, but arbitrally cutting off healthcare is asking for trouble down the road, look at the disease,etc they are or can be bringing to us and we may be sending back with them........