[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by CRNA2007

Nothing is topping you from writing out a check this very minute to subsidise someone else's healthcare. But I suspect you won't.

Why do you keep suggesting that, when it isn't anyone else's point? We do open our checkbooks up, figuratively, twice a month when taxes our withheld from our paychecks and literally, often, when we give money to causes that provide healthcare to people who can't access it (your assumption that we don't put our money where our mouth is is just that; a conclusion to which you've jumped with absolutely no supporting evidence. It is worthless. Not that it's any of your business, but I do give both of my money and my time to a health care organization.)

Disagree with us all you like, but could we possibly stay on point? That being, some of us believe that as contributors to our society (your claims to the contrary notwithstanding), we also believe we have the right to express our frustration and dismay that more of that contribution isn't directed towards health care coverage for those who need it.

[ZASHAGALKA]

I could deal with the theft from my earnings if I thought it was doing a moral good. I don't think the world works that way, but still.

In the end, however, looted money cannot be morally productive money. The damage we are doing to many, in the name of their public good, is not just immoral; it's cruel. We have made ourselves the moral busy-bodies to 'solve' their lower Maslov needs at the expense of allowing them to actualize their higher Maslov needs. RESOLVING your own base needs is a key to the self-actualization that is our reason for being. Taking that away from a person is a greater theft than what is done to my paycheck.

It's not that I bemoan the money stolen from, although I do. MORE SO, I bemoan the opportunity stolen from so many, in the name of helping them. It's so . . . uncompassionate.

~faith,
Timothy.

[CRNA2007]

Because all we hear from the left is lip service about how America is not doing enough to help, yet those on the left insist everyone should pay for it. I say if you want health care coverage for everyone and don't expect them to pay for it, then you pay for it.

Originally Posted by mercyteapot

Why do you keep suggesting that, when it isn't anyone else's point? We do open our checkbooks up, figuratively, twice a month when taxes our withheld from our paychecks and literally, often, when we give money to causes that provide healthcare to people who can't access it (your assumption that we don't put our money where our mouth is is just that; a conclusion to which you've jumped with absolutely no supporting evidence. It is worthless. Not that it's any of your business, but I do give both of my money and my time to a health care organization.)

Disagree with us all you like, but could we possibly stay on point? That being, some of us believe that as contributors to our society (your claims to the contrary notwithstanding), we also believe we have the right to express our frustration and dismay that more of that contribution isn't directed towards health care coverage for those who need it.

[CRNA2007]

We????

Originally Posted by HM2Viking

We already pay the highest health care taxes in the world see:

Taxes already pay for more than 60 percent of US health spending

Americans pay the highest health care taxes in the world. We pay for national health insurance, but don’t get it.
(Woolhandler, et al. “Paying for National Health Insurance — And Not Getting It,” Health Affairs 21(4); July / Aug. 2002)

[Jolie]

Originally Posted by HM2Viking
We already pay the highest health care taxes in the world see:

Taxes already pay for more than 60 percent of US health spending

Americans pay the highest health care taxes in the world. We pay for national health insurance, but don’t get it.
(Woolhandler, et al. “Paying for National Health Insurance — And Not Getting It,” Health Affairs 21(4); July / Aug. 2002)

If we're already paying for national healthcare, then it shouldn't cost another red cent to implement it. OK. Go for it!

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by CRNA2007

Because all we hear from the left is lip service about how America is not doing enough to help, yet those on the left insist everyone should pay for it. I say if you want health care coverage for everyone and don't expect them to pay for it, then you pay for it.

Yes. I get that. What I want to know is what part of "I think health care should be funded by tax dollars (of which I certainly pay my share)" translates for you to "I am willing to fund this myself". I also support public education as an entitlement. That doesn't mean I'm willing to open my checkbook up and pay for everyone's schooling. Should people who support the war be bearing the cost themselves? No? Whyever not?

[tntrn]

I think what the left wants is for the "weathy" to pay everything. Never mind that they work hard for their wealth and ALREADY pay the lion's share of taxes. They are BAD, BAD, BAD, for having so much money and should therefore have to give it up.

Vice-President Cheney has the right to whatever aid he is getting because he's in that age group, he has without a doubt paid into the system as a wage earner and if nothing else, he is our vice-president.

Did anybody complain when Clinton had his medical treatments done? I'm sure that was not paid for out of his pocket.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by tntrn

Did anybody complain when Clinton had his medical treatments done? I'm sure that was not paid for out of his pocket.

I'm sure plenty of people complained when Clinton had medical treatments.

[tntrn]

Originally Posted by mercyteapot

I'm sure plenty of people complained when Clinton had medical treatments.

Maybe, but we sure didn't hear about it. I didn't complain; he was our President after all. And I'm sure he has benefits as a past-President also. As it should be. But he, like VP Cheney, is not a regular joe, so if those of you who are complaining about Cheney's care, then you should have complained about Clinton's as well.

I didn't vote for Clinton, but I do have a respect for the office (even though I feel Clinton disrespected the office, which is another topic.)

The problem for me is when people, anybody, scams the system and fraudulent billings are an epidemic, according to a news piece I saw last night.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by tntrn

Maybe, but we sure didn't hear about it. I didn't complain; he was our President after all. And I'm sure he has benefits as a past-President also. As it should be. But he, like VP Cheney, is not a regular joe, so if those of you who are complaining about Cheney's care, then you should have complained about Clinton's as well.

I didn't vote for Clinton, but I do have a respect for the office (even though I feel Clinton disrespected the office, which is another topic.)

The problem for me is when people, anybody, scams the system and fraudulent billings are an epidemic, according to a news piece I saw last night.

I have to disagree with that. I think there were more jokes made about Clinton than any President in recent memory.

There have been some real interesting ideas expressed on this thread, but I do believe your suggestion that people "should" complain about this or that just might top them all.