[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by CRNA2007

What about the profit you take from healthcare dollars? Are you willing to give that back and become a not for profit yourself?

Many of us work for non-profit entities. It doesn't mean we don't get paid, or that we shouldn't and it never did.

[HM2Viking]

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[HM2Viking]

We should be looking at what NZ, Ger, AUS and the UK are doing right and use that knowledge to improve our own system.

[HM2Viking]

These are the choices we face. The second option is what will probably be passed by the next Congress. The drive needs to be put on quality care and equitable access.

[HM2Viking]

The overall ranking is what is important on this graph. Again we need to look at what other countries are doing right and apply those lessons to improving and building a real system.

[HM2Viking]

Originally Posted by tntrn

My husband was diagnosed with an aggressive prostate cancer on November 27, 2007. On December 6, 2007, he had a radical retropubic prostatectomy. Based on the article I've linked below, in Canada he'd be long dead before a surgery would be possible.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/opinio...ry/224748.html

This article was a timely one for me to read, and I find it very interesting in that the physician who wrote it works in the US and in Canada, leading me to believe he knows what he's talking about.

We have friends in Britain, who fortunately, can afford PRIVATE insurance along with what the government provides. Meaning, of course, that they can get care far more quickly when they need it.

I think that a referenced study says otherwise. Both countries have access problems. BUT Canada has better outcomes on a population basis for its citizens.

See:

Objectives.

We compared health status, access to care, and utilization of medical
services in the United States and Canada, and compared disparities according
to race, income, and immigrant status.

Methods.

We analyzed population-based data on 3505 Canadian and 5183 US
adults from the Joint Canada/US Survey of Health. Controlling for gender, age,
income, race, and immigrant status, we used logistic regression to analyze country
as a predictor of access to care, quality of care, and satisfaction with care,
and as a predictor of disparities in these measures.

Results.

In multivariate analyses, US respondents (compared with Canadians)
were less likely to have a regular doctor, more likely to have unmet health needs,
and more likely to forgo needed medicines. Disparities on the basis of race, income,
and immigrant status were present in both countries, but were more extreme
in the United States.

Conclusions.

United States residents are less able to access care than are Canadians.
Universal coverage appears to reduce most disparities in access to care.

(Am J Public Health. 2006;96:XXX–XXX. doi:10.2105/AJPH.2004.059402)
Source: http://pnhp.org/canadastudy/CanadaUSStudy.pdf

[tntrn]

[quote=HM2Viking;2540757]I think that a referenced study says otherwise. Both countries have access problems. BUT Canada has better outcomes on a population basis for its citizens. QUOTE]

And IMHO, research doesn't always tell you what's really going on. First of all, research papers are difficult to read; getting to the meat of the topic is a giant PIA. Then it depends on HOW questions are asked. In a statistics class I took long ago, the professor said, "You can prove anything you want to prove statistically. It depend solely on how you do the study."

So I, personally, would listen to this physician who works on both sides of the border than to a study.

[CRNA2007]

I always laugh when people on the left decry capitalism but never want to give up an of their own money or take a paycut.

Originally Posted by mercyteapot

Many of us work for non-profit entities. It doesn't mean we don't get paid, or that we shouldn't and it never did.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by CRNA2007

I always laugh when people on the left decry capitalism but never want to give up an of their own money or take a paycut.

I would challenge you to find one post in which I decry capitalism. You are, of course, free to laugh at whatever you wish, but if you choose to quote me, please make sure it is appropriate to do so.