[aicfan]

I am an ADN working slowly on a BSN program. Hospitals are pushing for nurses to get the BSN but the hospitals in my area do not have very good tuition reimbursment. If they want people to obtain the BSN then it would be nice to have a little more help in doing so....

[forrester]

Originally Posted by ANPFNPGNP

Where did you get your information? In the US, a person has to graduate from an accredited law school in order to sit for the bar exam. That means one must obtain a Juris Doctorate in order to sit for the bar exam.

Let me ask you this, would you want a person with a 6th grade education teaching your children? Would it be "okay" with you if they just studied a bunch of facts and were able to pass some test to get certified or would you want that person to be educated?

I took the NCLEX and I'm here to tell you that the majority of high school graduates could study and pass that exam...no problemo! Maybe we should just let anyone without any educational preparation take the NCLEX and if they can pass it, then they can practice as a registered nurse! While you're at it, let's just go ahead and make the United States a third world country!

Depending on your ethnicity, insurance, and location, we are already a 3rd world country when it comes to healthcare.

[forrester]

Originally Posted by aicfan

I am an ADN working slowly on a BSN program. Hospitals are pushing for nurses to get the BSN but the hospitals in my area do not have very good tuition reimbursment. If they want people to obtain the BSN then it would be nice to have a little more help in doing so....

Trust me, hospitals could care less what degree you have, unless they are pretending to want to be magnetized.

[Tweety]

Originally Posted by forrester

Trust me, hospitals could care less what degree you have, unless they are pretending to want to be magnetized.

It seems to be a regional thing. In areas where there isn't a nursing shortage it seems hospitals are getting more particular. I'm seeing more and more posts from new grads having trouble getting jobs. Some hospitals are hiring only GNs with BSNs and some aren't hiring GNs at all. So it's hard to generalize a statement such as yours.

[lpnflorida]

After reading these posting for the last several hours yikes. Lets rephrase the " Nurses eat their young" to Nurses eat Nurses. I have all the respect in the world for anyone in nursing no matter their title. Furthering education harms no one. Again medicine is changing, economics are changing how our system works, who they employ. We can go on forever and bicker and slight others.

I would prefer reading positive reinforcement for those who have persued their educational goals without the pointing of fingers as to why such in such is better etc. Education is a great thing, it is not an entitlement to look down on anyone with a lesser education. My beloved is a Surgeon, having been in practice for over 30 years. We have had many of these discussions. He has more than once stated why is it with all the eductional he has that at the end of the year after paying overhead , malpractice insurance for his practice that his take home pay would be less than a nurse? Mind you this had only been an issue for the past 10 years. That spending hours in surgery to performing a nephrectomy, continued care of the patient while in the hospital and then one follow up visit in the office . What was his reward beyond good outcome for the patient? $400.00 paid by the insurance company. No, I did not misplace any zeroes in that figure.
Yes, the year he closed his practice his take home pay was less than mine a LPN. That was two years ago.Medicare and the insurance companies are driving our healthcare and will force changes. That is why it is so important for everyone in healthcare to be active stay up to date and support everyone's desire to have some feelings of autonomy and to feel respected and valued in their roles.

Nurses think they have it bad paying back student loans etc , you should hear the doctors and their feelings about trying to survive in the current health care climate. Please, I don't want to start any thread about the rich doctors, yes there are some, there are many more today who have had to take out second mortgages on their homes to remain in practice. Thankfully that was not something we had to do. He retired with feelings of resentment and bitterness that he could no longer afford to work. Imagine not being able to afford to work? . I still work, it helps to pay our day to day living expenses. oops I digress.

Good luck to all in the career of medicine,, it is blowing in the wind in some respects.

[forrester]

Originally Posted by Tweety

It seems to be a regional thing. In areas where there isn't a nursing shortage it seems hospitals are getting more particular. I'm seeing more and more posts from new grads having trouble getting jobs. Some hospitals are hiring only GNs with BSNs and some aren't hiring GNs at all. So it's hard to generalize a statement such as yours.

We've been beating this dead horse for 40 years, alienating many in our profession, and presenting our politiicans with untenable options.

I do not believe the industry gives a rat's a.. what degree we have, as long as the title RN is there.
Academics care, but then they are in the degree business.

Yes, to be sure, there are systems that prefer a BSN. Many more could care less.

The day a major state enacts mandatory BSN legislation will be the day I revise that opinion.

[nurse healer]

More education for way more money than it cost to get the first degree, for what? Will you have more time to apply tihe greater knowledge, skills, ability? Who cares what you know?

I have wanted to continue my nursing education for a long time for my own knowledge and feelings of accomplishment but the costs are out of sight.

When I do the math, I loose money with little gain. It looks like my attitude has been tainted by nursing practice!

I don't think it is worth it to continue studying nursing. I'd be better off studying cosmotology. My hairdresser makes more money than a nurse. $50 for a haircut. $130 for highlights...the materials cost $5.00 the time- not long.

[H3llo Nurse]

hmm, BSN doesnt really add any more pay than a RN.(from what ive heard). never heard of this requirement.

[Susan9608]

Who cares what you know?

Probably your patients.

I'm sure you didn't mean that statement the way it came across, but you should re-read it.

If people didn't care what nurses knew, then I doubt nursing schools would exist in the first place; instead, nurses would probably be trained in some kind of apprenticeship that varied from person to person, hospital to hospital, specialty to specialty. But someone cared enough to say that nurses need a basic framework of knowledge to begin practice and a license under which to practice. Hence, nursing school.

Most 4-year-universities are expensive. That's a problem. However, unlike medical school, which requires 4 years of undergrad work, plus 4 years of medical school, then residency, etc. A BSN would only require 4 years. Not entirely the same thing.

Which is not to say that cost isn't a valid point, though, because it is. But if ADN programs are eliminated, then all those scholarships and financial aid and such that were available to ADN students will then be available to BSN students, particularly if - as I suspect - BSN programs simply absorb ADN programs as satellite locations. Perhaps there will even be a reduced tuition offered for being wiling to attend one of those satellite locations.

Who knows? But problems like that can be worked out ... if everyone would get behind the idea of a standardized education entry point for nursing.

[pama]

BSN and ADN, both ARE RN's!!!!!!!!!!!!