[ann945n]

Originally Posted by tferdaise

This is simple there are many bridge programs out there that allow folks with other undergrad degress to get thier BSN as well as MSN's in the same amount of time as getting their ADN. Look at www.UCSf.EDU for more info on this. They are the leader in this type of program.

Couldnt have said it better myself!

[PMFB-RN]

I am one of the people who think that a BSN should be the entry point to bedside nursing. My reason is simple, nursing is looked at as a vocation, not a profression.

*** IMO punching a time clock (rather than billing for service) does far more to religate RNs to vocation status rather than entry to practice point.

Yes, there are many nurses who would disagree with my statement, BUT, Joe public is one who thinks this. Many professions in the healthcare field require a BS to work, many require a Masters (Speech, OT and PT.)

*** Yes, professions who can bill directly for their service. How many of the profession that get paid by the hour (usually) require a 4 year degree for entry? Very few.
I think one thing that MUST be addressed before requiring a BSN for entry into practice is RN working condition and pay. Sure RN pay is OK for a community college degree grad. Not, IMO for a person who forked out for a full 4 year degree. Same for working conditions.

[tferdaise]

Check on line schools, I'm willing to bet you will find a school that will take you with no problems.

There has to be a set standard, Engineers did this 20 yrs ago to be a Professional Engineer you MUST have a undgrad in Engineering to sit for thier boards... Many other professions as well.

Originally Posted by emtb2rn

I did. The local accelerated BSN program spelled it out quite clearly for me. They want a minimum of 3.0 and are in reality only accepting 3.75 and above. This is also reflected in other posts. So, for someone in my position in the future, a mandatory BSN is a major roadblock to entering nursing.

I still don't understand the difference between a BSN and a BS/BA RN...



I think we simply need to agree to disagree on this one.

[emtb2rn]

Originally Posted by tferdaise

Check on line schools, I'm willing to bet you will find a school that will take you with no problems.

I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say here.

I have no interest in obtaining a BSN. I'm an diploma RN with a BS in another field. When I continue with my education, it'll be a the masters level, not gaining another bachelors.

[PMFB-RN]

Originally Posted by emtb2rn

I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say here.

I have no interest in obtaining a BSN. I'm an diploma RN with a BS in another field. When I continue with my education, it'll be a the masters level, not gaining another bachelors.

*** I agree, what purpose would a BSN serve you and the many nurses in similar situations? Now that there are a fair number of direct RN to MSN programs that neither require a BSN for admission, nor grant one in the process of earning an MSN the BSN is starting to look a little tired to me.

[Altra]

Originally Posted by orionquilts

I knew I had read about ND. Okay, the information from Washington comes from the Washington Center for Nursing. It is not 2012, but 2020, which is a ways down the road. www.WACenterforNursing.org.

In the Latest News link, you can read Washington State's Master Plan. But a brief synopsis goes like this: "We recommend that beginning in 2020, all newly licensed RN's in Washington State have or acquire a Bachelor's degree in Nursing within 10 years of licensure. This recommendation does not affect nurses currently practicing at that time."

In the Master Plan, 2012 is the year that ADN programs should have agreements in place with BSN programs to allow RN's to easily slip into RN to BSN programs. I got this emailed to me from an instructor tonight. They got the years incorrect, and it is NOT yet mandatory.

You have mistaken a non-profit advocacy group for an actual regulatory body. Here's the mission statement of the Washington Center for Nursing.

http://www.wacenterfornursing.org/ht...sion/index.htm

It is not a regulatory or legislative body. I'm sure this group is politically active and lobbies for changes in the licensure of RNs in Washington, but they have no authority to actually enact change -- that would have to come from the Washington state legislature.

[tferdaise]

Nope I didn't misunderstand at all.

BUT, I think you are looking at the problem with blinders on.. First, you stated that your GPA for your first undergrad was 2.75, too low to get into a MSN program. But if you go back and get your BSN and get a 3.0 or higher then a MSN is within reach. I learned a while back that you might have to go backwards to go forwards. So suck it up, get your BSN with a better GPA then apply for your MSN.. Now if that wont work for you, then I don't know what to tell you..

Originally Posted by emtb2rn

I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say here.

I have no interest in obtaining a BSN. I'm an diploma RN with a BS in another field. When I continue with my education, it'll be a the masters level, not gaining another bachelors.

[tferdaise]

Well if you read all of the guys postings, his first understands GPA is too low to get into a bridge MSN program...

Originally Posted by PMFB-RN

*** I agree, what purpose would a BSN serve you and the many nurses in similar situations? Now that there are a fair number of direct RN to MSN programs that neither require a BSN for admission, nor grant one in the process of earning an MSN the BSN is starting to look a little tired to me.

[emtb2rn]

Originally Posted by tferdaise

Well if you read all of the guys postings, his first understands GPA is too low to get into a bridge MSN program...

Well, you also said "Check on line schools, I'm willing to bet you will find a school that will take you with no problems." So, I'll try that route down the road. No rush to get an MSN at this point.

[tferdaise]

It might be different in Wisconsin, but here in AZ, I can bill Medicare as well as secondary insurnace for my services if I take care of a person who needs nursing care. I have done this in the past. NEXT....

To you the BSN is a waste of time, which is fine, that is your opnion, but it will change that the BSN will be the entry degree into nursing.

To answer your question about professions who are paid hourly.. Here are a few..

Lawyers
Doctor's
PT
OT
Speech
Engineers
Computer personal
Pilots

Here are a few, hope you have a nice day.

Originally Posted by PMFB-RN

I am one of the people who think that a BSN should be the entry point to bedside nursing. My reason is simple, nursing is looked at as a vocation, not a profression.

*** IMO punching a time clock (rather than billing for service) does far more to religate RNs to vocation status rather than entry to practice point.

Yes, there are many nurses who would disagree with my statement, BUT, Joe public is one who thinks this. Many professions in the healthcare field require a BS to work, many require a Masters (Speech, OT and PT.)

*** Yes, professions who can bill directly for their service. How many of the profession that get paid by the hour (usually) require a 4 year degree for entry? Very few.
I think one thing that MUST be addressed before requiring a BSN for entry into practice is RN working condition and pay. Sure RN pay is OK for a community college degree grad. Not, IMO for a person who forked out for a full 4 year degree. Same for working conditions.