[loriangel14]

I think that's what they said up here too!

[Blove86]

Thats crazy, what is the push for having a BSN for? Seems to me to be quite suspicious........even though I am in a BSN program str8 out of high school. I still think they need be focusing on better nursign conditions instead of JUST education! Ok, off my box!!

[CHATSDALE]

would be a good idea if it would work but we don't have enough nurses as it is..if all the ad schools would stop graduating nurses we would be unable to provide care
i do think that hospitals should pay for and give time off for bs studies in order to keep and improve the nurses they have

[SandraHeartTeamRN]

That's why I didn't go to nursing school right out of HS way back in 76. Same old rumor................... Came from a poor family and knew there was no way to pay for a BSN.

The ADN (that I earned at age 45) suits me just fine. But I might have been able to become a nurse much sooner.

[kizzykatlove]

i have never heard this ... you can't grandfather nurses in the US inless congress and the BON's over hall the entire nurse practice act. that won't happen anytime soon. i am a RN w/ a BSN and haven't heard a word about ADN' s needing a BSN, to me a RN is a RN ...
i just don't see the grandfathering in at all....

[lindarn]

There is no nursing shortage anyplace in this country. There is only a shortage of nurses who are willing to work in a hospital.

Have you considered that, perhaps if potential nurses had to spend four years in school, and it wasn't such "quick" road to a good paying job, that nursing would make more of an effort to change what is so unpleasant about the career field, and not be so quick to continue to jump ship every couple of years?

If more of an effort was needed to become a nurses we would have more of a stake in our career. You don't see doctors, pharmacists, Physical Therapists, etc, leaving their profession the way nurses do. Why is that? Yes, they have a better quality of life than nurses do, and if they don't, they make alot more money to compensate them for the unpleasant aspects of it. And they also have alot more control than we do. The control that they have allows them to make their job more tolerable.

Nurses just don't seem to have the attitude that nursing is a career, not just a job. We allow ourselves to be bullied out of lousy working condition, only to go somewhere else long enough until we cannot tolerate that job either. And hospitals just love it when experienced nurses leave, and then they can hire a new grad for half the pay. We play right into their hands when we play "musical employment". Longer education times would do alot to solve that. And by the way, Physical Therapy ASSISTANTS have an two year Associates Degree as entry into practice. We ought to be ashamed.

When you have spend four or more years to get into the profession, you have more of a stake in it, and are more willing to stick around and change what is bad. JMHO, and my NY $0.02.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington

[cab128]

My statement above concerning the senator with a high school education was to merely point out that lawmakers should lead by example. I do believe anyone with any level of education can appreciate and value an education.

I do not, however, appreciate the fact that this legislation was introduced without careful consideration as to the impact on the workforce and our state colleges and other institutions providing our communities with RN’s.

[wsuchic1]

Originally Posted by lindarn

There is no nursing shortage anyplace in this country. There is only a shortage of nurses who are willing to work in a hospital.

Have you considered that, perhaps if potential nurses had to spend four years in school, and it wasn't such "quick" road to a good paying job, that nursing would make more of an effort to change what is so unpleasant about the career field, and not be so quick to continue to jump ship every couple of years?

If more of an effort was needed to become a nurses we would have more of a stake in our career. You don't see doctors, pharmacists, Physical Therapists, etc, leaving their profession the way nurses do. Why is that? Yes, they have a better quality of life than nurses do, and if they don't, they make alot more money to compensate them for the unpleasant aspects of it. And they also have alot more control than we do. The control that they have allows them to make their job more tolerable.

Nurses just don't seem to have the attitude that nursing is a career, not just a job. We allow ourselves to be bullied out of lousy working condition, only to go somewhere else long enough until we cannot tolerate that job either. And hospitals just love it when experienced nurses leave, and then they can hire a new grad for half the pay. We play right into their hands when we play "musical employment". Longer education times would do alot to solve that. And by the way, Physical Therapy ASSISTANTS have an two year Associates Degree as entry into practice. We ought to be ashamed.

When you have spend four or more years to get into the profession, you have more of a stake in it, and are more willing to stick around and change what is bad. JMHO, and my NY $0.02.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington

Thank you, thank you, thank you, and thank you (a million times over)!!! This is what I've tried stating in several threads...sometimes the truth hurts. In order to progress in nursing, this is what is needed. So many people want to blindly deny this and the denial is one of the things is that is hurting this profession tremendously.

Again, thank you for having the guts to say this.

[nurseby07]

Originally Posted by KarynicaRN

I have heard about it, but didn't know whether or not it was passed. I do agree that it should be a 4 year degree.

Please don't get mad at me for saying that.

Why do you agree with that? If your BSN program prepared you for the boards and you had to take all 265 question, didn't my ADN program do just as well, if not more, if I passed in 75? The differences are great, for sure, but just because I didn't take art or religion doesn't mean that my knowledge of nursing should require me to pay another $40,000 for more classes that deal in managment and language. I already speak two languages (3 if you count pig latin) and my state thinks I am qualified to be an RN. This argument is old. Sure, I should have my Bachelor's but ADN's are not medical assistants or cna's. We are registered nurses.

[wsuchic1]

Originally Posted by nurseby07

Why do you agree with that? If your BSN program prepared you for the boards and you had to take all 265 question, didn't my ADN program do just as well, if not more, if I passed in 75? The differences are great, for sure, but just because I didn't take art or religion doesn't mean that my knowledge of nursing should require me to pay another $40,000 for more classes that deal in managment and language. I already speak two languages (3 if you count pig latin) and my state thinks I am qualified to be an RN. This argument is old. Sure, I should have my Bachelor's but ADN's are not medical assistants or cna's. We are registered nurses.

I'm confused...I don't believe anyone has either inferred or explicitly stated that ASNs are not RNs. Some of us are merely stating that as a profession one element that needs to change in this field, to stop all of the fragmentation, is to have one entry point into this field.