[elkpark]

Originally Posted by tferdaise

Look what happened when the diplomia programs stopped. The community colleges opened up programs.

ADN programs were not developed in response to the diploma programs closing -- they were around long before that happened. They were conceived as a quicker, cheaper way to get larger numbers of people into (registered) nursing. And there are plenty of diploma programs still around (although not nearly as many as there used to be, which, IMHO, is really a shame).

[tferdaise]

I never said the ADN program were developed in response to the closing of the diploma programs..... They allowed easier access to nursing programs.

Originally Posted by elkpark

ADN programs were not developed in response to the diploma programs closing -- they were around long before that happened. They were conceived as a quicker, cheaper way to get larger numbers of people into (registered) nursing. And there are plenty of diploma programs still around (although not nearly as many as there used to be, which, IMHO, is really a shame).

[elkpark]

Originally Posted by tferdaise

I never said the ADN program were developed in response to the closing of the diploma programs..... They allowed easier access to nursing programs.

I apologize for misunderstanding your meaning in your earlier post.

[twotrees2]

this just popped in my head - with more bsn's could it end up that the wage they make could then go diwn ? if ya think about it - if there is more competition in the field wages could actually drop simply by the normal way of supply and demand works in any business. just a thought and wonderung. have a great holiday weekend all.

Originally Posted by jjjoy

Is there a reason why that couldn't work without requiring a BSN? Couldn't one could be qualified to take the nurse-in-training exam at the completion of any approved nursing program, whether that program also grants a bachelor's degree, an associate's degree or no degree? I'd be tempted to completely remove the BSN from clinical professional improvement... that ANY bachelor's degree PLUS completion of an approved nursing program would be sufficient academic qualifications for acceptance to a graduate nursing program or for those nursing positions where requiring a bachelor's degree is appropriate. A BSN would clearly be adjunct to, not integral to, basic RN training. If an RN preferred to major in public health or business or literature and then go for their MSN, that would work, too.



I agree in theory with BSN as entry to practice but I fear it would only "force" hospitals and other health organizations to either continue to push more and more unreasonable workloads onto the nurses (since if they have to pay more, they will hire fewer) and to find other personnel to perform bedside nursing care (since BSNs have other options than bedside care and hospitals likely "couldn't afford" to pay enough - both in salary and creating a tolerable work environment- to keep BSNs from moving away from the bedside). Not to mention, the push for BSN for entry is NOT widely embraced WITHIN the nursing community, and that's just a simple reality.

But you are not the only person thinking along the lines you are!!! : )

[Neats]

The ideal that as nurses we could be paid less or that the hospital could not afford to pay nurses higher wages is a thought process that management, and insurance companies want you to continue. I cannot imagine less pay unless we go with socialized medicine. I am a Health Care Administrator and student nurse and I will demand more money for my services we all should. We are highly specalized, highly sought after and our responsibility is growing daily.

The issue is nurses cannot come together, we are too fragmented for a variety of reasons and it hurts us in the end. It is that simple. I have seen it so many times before. We do not go the distance. Too many nurses do not want to rock the boat for fear of losing their position, benefits...

If we do not as professional nurses decide and take matters into our own profession what to do about entry level, someone else will decide for us and we will have only ourselves to blame. Its high time we make BSN the entry level and grandfather everyone else in. Our profession will be better off for it... Just my beliefs.

[Pageantnurse]

I saw a new program somewhere. its not in my state so I sorta brushed it off but if Nursing ED was structured this way it might satisfy many WITHOUT excluding many potential nurses by burdening them with four years of unpaid education time. It WAS a four year program but it was tiered. After 2 months students could test for their CNA which would give the average college aged person a nice pay raise AND a realistic look at their chosen field. At the end of year one you could sit the NCLEX PN giving you another boost in pay and status. After the second year the NCLEX RN would be given and the ASN would be awarded. After you continued through you would receive your BSN. You could choose to take any/all of the three tests as you saw fit but it wouldnt bar some students financially. I wanted my RN in the beginning but I simply could not afford to work for 6-7 dollars an hour for 4 years while I did it. They did offer the cna after 2 months of my PN program and about 85% of us took the test and moved into that to earn more and get into the field. I may get flamed for this last part but the best supervisors and managers I have ever encountered moved up the nursing ladder and had a REALISTIC idea of what the job was like. Not some ivory towered straight through to my MSN and now Im deciding how you should do your job when I don't even know how to do your job. Nursing is one of very few professions where you can manage a position that you have never held. Go figure.

[2bnurse-1]

My teacher just informed us that coming in latter years; in order for you to become a RN the only way is to achieve a BSN.

and LPN's is through a 2 yr degree.

of course nurses who are already RN's and LPN' will be grandfathered in.

Did any one heard of this trend?

[BlueRidgeHomeRN]

This is the rumor that WILL NOT DIE!!!!!

Check the current thread about this....

[KarynicaRN]

I have heard about it, but didn't know whether or not it was passed. I do agree that it should be a 4 year degree.

Please don't get mad at me for saying that.

[firefightingRN]

It would put an awful lot of diploma programs out of business. I have an easier time believing that RN will be required to have a 2 yr degree - though i don't believe any of it is true at this point.