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[megananne7]

Originally Posted by Mexarican

sounds good...reasonable

mex

ADN to BSN programs would be so overloaded if this actually happened. There'd be an even longer wait list.


That, and community colleges like the one I went to that ONLY offer Associate's Degrees in all their programs (not just nursing and health-care), would basically have to shut down their nursing programs if no one was allowed to have just an ADN anymore.

[Wendy_RN]

I cannot imagine this happening. We constantly hear of the predicted nursing shortage. It would make more sense to work on the reasons for the nursing shortage instead of making it worse. When the unsafe staffing ratios are addressed, working conditions improved, and more nurses return to the workfoce then the powers that be can worry about mandating further education. It would be safe to bet that won't be anytime soon, but that is just my personal opinion. (and rant)

[VivaLasViejas]

Ain't gonna happen. Not in the foreseeable future, anyway.........this is merely a rumor that goes around every couple of years and scares the pants off people who don't have a BSN. Don't worry about it.

[twotrees2]

Originally Posted by BrokenRNheart

One of the reasons there are more BSN's is because there are MORE UNIVERSITIES.

HELLO>>>>>>> This is about someone making money.

It does NOT require more theory to make me a better bedside nurse. BSN's pay for more "FLUFF and PUFF."

Please tell me this is a typo.......>>>>> What is your rational? I had better training than many of the BSN programs that came to our unit.
"Originally Posted by SueBee RN-BSN

This is good news, I wish all states would require a BSN as entry into nursing."

i dont know about the original posting of " better" training however - i will say that we had many BSN students come to the ADN program and go right back to the BSN program stating they could not handle the pace that the ADN program was taught at. from what they had said back then- they did say there is more "fluff and puff" ( and i am sure many dont consider it that - that is what i myself would call it lol) and the pace was better at the BSN program. in other words one program wasnt better than theother it was the pace at which they were taught in 4 yrs vs 2 that was better

i dont feel the program makes the nurse so much as the person makes the nurse just my opinion- know many good adn and bsn nurses - also know bad in both as well.

[carebearRN08]

Like my mom always says, believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see

[lvnandmomx3]

[MrsWampthang]

Originally Posted by ann945n

Its important to remember that if requirements to sit for the NCLEX-RN change to BSN all those who already hold a RN license will be grandfathered in so no one will be loosing a job or be forced back to school. I 100 percent support a push to make BSN the minimum level of education for a RN. To demand respect as a professional one must walk the walk. I believe that means go get a bachelor degree like the rest of the professional world. As well united RN's under one degree will only strengthen our negotiations. I also believe that if such a change took place most ADN programs would change to BSN by getting endorsments from 4 year insitiutions. Most CC I know of do offer Bachelor degrees on campus with support from a 4 year school. Nursing then would be no different.

BOO HISS! I went back to school and got my ASN at the age of 41 and I got an ASN because I wanted to get my degree and get into the work force as quickly as possible. I got it from a community college, not a university and guess what.....I make just as much as any BSN nurse in this state because our state, thank goodness, doesn't differentiate between 2 yr and 4yr degree. Now if I want to think seriously about going into management someday, then I would seriously think about getting my BSN, but since I make good money (more than my husband who is also an ASN), I have NO desire to go further right now. I don't have the money or the time. You must be very young and idealistic to think that you must have a BSN and to want to 100% support a push for all BSNs; as some one from Canada said in this thread, it didn't work there and it won't work here. That would only make the nursing shortage that much worse. And to require nursing schools to go to all BSN programs is just plain dumb. Anyway, whether you"re an ASN or a BSN, you're still an RN, therefore nursing is no different NOW. And for your information, I have worked with some LPNs that could work circles around any BSN nurse so don't go thinking that one must have a BSN behind your name to give good nursing care because, again, that's just plain dumb. Sorry to be so harsh, but it just makes me mad when this same conversation keeps coming up. BTW, I respect the fact that people and the time and money to get their BSN in the first place, or go back and get it, but, don't look down your nose at me because I only went to school for 2 years versus 4 years and don't have any desire to go any further at this time.

[forrester]

Some thoughts come to mind every time I hear this debate on ADN/BSN.

Enhancement of Nursing Profession argument- You hear this one a lot. We are already the most trusted profession in the US. What are we shooting for? Prestige? Recognition from other medical professions? Are we doing this for us, or for them?

Professionalization- This argument is often made by educators-in 4 year universities. Certainly they have a vested interest in having BSN mandatory entry, as do such groups as the AAN, AACN, and the NLN.

Political Reality- No offense, but many politicians look at nurse leaders who call for this as 20 cards short of a full deck.
Let's see, there is a projected shortage of nurses and you want us to close ADN programs which allow many students to advance who might not otherwise have been able to attend 4 year universities. You also want us to "hurt" our local community colleges, which in many cases provide opportunities for disadvantaged people to make something of themselves.
On top of all this, the 4 year university system is so limited by the faculty shortage which is also expected to worsen.
Hmmm, wonder why there is not much political support for this???

Who cares?- Hospital CEO's could care less what degree an RN has, unless they are promoting into management, especially senior management. But there, the MBA is stronger than an MSN.
Most nurses I've ever worked with could care less, although I have sensed a bit of resentment, or bitterness, on the part of some senior clinical nurses.
Obviously, our nursing "leadership" cares, they've been trying to do this for 40 years.
I think the public just wants competent nurses.

Thing's I've never heard in 30+years of doing this-

Get me a nurse educator stat!

Oh, this task is too complex, better get the BSN nurse in here.

I'm sorry mister CEO, I'll have to resign my position as CNO if you ask me to short staff the floors. I want safe ratios at all times, and the bedside nurses are the best ones to decide what safe means.

This is a tough spot for us here on the floor, I wonder what the ANA would say?

OUR state nursing association really works!


Oh, there are so many.......

[flames9]

"Oh, this task is too complex, better get the BSN nurse in here."

Thanks for the laugh!! back to my studies!! lol