[Cloudtalker]

I will admit, I did not read this whole thread. I am sure it is full of people saying it will never happen, bad idea, and so on.

I think it is a good idea.

I always hear how nurses are not always treated as a professional, with valuable input.

Why should they be treated as such.

If you want to be treated as a professional, and paid a professional wage, then a professional degree should be required.

And in almost all settings, a professional degree is a bachelor's degree.

An associates degree is usually thought of as a less than professional degree.

So, instead of complaining that a BSN requirement is too much, embrace the idea, push for implementation of a BSN requirement, and then demand to be treated with equality in the professional arena!

ct

[decartes]

Originally Posted by twotrees2

dont know if this was directed at me or the other poster - if it was me - i will attempt to explain my position further after showing the next posters post and answer that at the same time - that post was

"What's wrong with having the research to support a course of interventions that a nurse assembled based upon his or her intuition?"

my answer is there is nothing wrong with having the research - i will gladly read any reserch pointed out to me and utilize what is mandated or i find brings me extra time for my residents - however i do not have time to research someones idea of a better idea or way to do something - i do not wish to do reseaerch either as it would take what little precious time i have with my residents to do so - i will stick with tried and true methods at this time and praise anyone who likes to do research when they do it.

however as i stated i will gladly look at and consider anyone elses research that is offered to me

Ahhh. Now I understand. Thanks for clearing things up.

[Gennaver]

Originally Posted by mrsalby

My state is considering making a requirement that ADN's earn their BSN within 10y or have license revoked or suspended. I am fortunate to be able to continue into an RN to BSN program. But what about those that choose not to or may not be able to? Will hospitals do more to assist with tuition and books? Will a decrease in pay be seen for ADN's? Will decrease in pay for ADN's equal less responsibility? Will the increase in pay for a BSN still remain low (some only $0.50/hr)? Will this requirement contribute to an exponentially increasing nursing shortage. Effect agency or travel nursing? One may ask if eventually only BSN will be able to receive his or her license. I believe this will be a hotbed for debate. I also believe this may cause more descention amongst the troops, per say.

Does anyone else have this occuring with their BON?

If I am not mistaken the initial call for this nationwide came out in 1965, from the AACN. I guess it really, really takes a long time to put it to action. It is no where near happening in my home state of IL.
Gen

[Gennaver]

Originally Posted by CritterLover

Bad, bad, bad idea.

An RN with a BSN is no more qualified to care for a patient than an RN with a diploma/ADN.

...(By the way, if anyone is wondering, I do have a BSN)

Hello,
While I fully grasp your point that clinical care is clinical care, (and actually lived experience means A LOT), I also understand that study after study have shown that a college degree is the new "high school diploma".

Regardless of what the BA/BS degree is in it is being proven that it is in ITSELF the new entry level to vocation degree, regardless of which field.
Gen-and no, I do not have any studies or sitings...I thought it had become common knowledge by now

[Gennaver]

Originally Posted by firstyearstudent

I think something similar goes on in education. In many school districts and perhaps even states you can get a teaching certificate with a bachelor's degree but must earn a master's within a certain time in order to maintain the credential. This is for teaching public school, naturally.

Hi,
Yes, and the very same with Social Workers, (of which I was aiming to become). So, the time, sweat, money and energy that goes into that esteemed MSW will earn ya a whopping 28K a year.

How is that for an entry level degree? although, I am of a different mindset...I think that Nursing should also require such a professional degree, (not just the four year degree but, masters prepared), I mean come on, even physical therapist need to have their DOCTORATE for entry level...professional.
Gen-fully expecting that grandfathering would happen for previously degreed and practicign RNs.

[Gennaver]

Originally Posted by lady55902

...
i do love the proffession , why not make everyone sitting on welfare go back to school or no check.

Oh please,
Tell me you just didn't write that!

please read this as intended as coming from a mild mannered, person who is doing one of those V-8 moments with a laugh...if not, my apologies, tell me and I will delete...

As a side note, while I was doing research for my undergrad, (sociology/psych) degree I actually came across lots and lots of information for the welfare to work programs that were indeed expressly stating for the welfare recipients to get hospital jobs and to work as CNAs.

However, back to your statement...please, do not even go there with that finger pointing, self-serving bias and victim blame, okay? Thank you,
Gen
p.s. if this came out poorly or seemingly hostile I apologize adn will edite/delete...but, I think it might be worded in a way to give a good enough sense...

[Gennaver]

Originally Posted by lauralassie

Last time I trained a BSN student in an ICU setting, she said , I'm only here to observe the vent. So I sat a chair down in front of the vent and said if that red ligt beeps three times come get me, if the yellow alarms run for cover. Let me know right away if a monkey comes out of the back door. Mean while my ADN student had assesed her pt, and was working on documentation that was excellent I might add. I went to a diploma school , my instructors would have had a feild day with a comment like that. Let me re phrase that, I would not have been stupid enough to say that to my instuctors. I was ready to tell her about the vent at 6:30 in the morning before I even walked in to see the pt. as well as the med the DX, treatments etc...

Oh boy,
So, based on that one 'odd' vent supervising student you label all BSN students as being in her shoes?
Gen, pshaw

[Gennaver]

Originally Posted by twotrees2

my answer is there is nothing wrong with having the research - i will gladly read any reserch pointed out to me

....however as i stated i will gladly look at and consider anyone elses research that is offered to me

I personally would much rather seek for msyelf than to trust the potential propoganda or biased or overlooked absent-minded ness of whomever is doing the "seeking" it for you or me.

Would you not research if it were your own diagnosis, your family or loved ones? Would you "really" only read what someone else tells you too?

Gen

[SmilingBluEyes]

Well to get back to the Original Poster's question/concern:

This (all BSN nursing force concept) did not work in North Dakota. They have since repealed this.

Now--- It surely would behoove you to go for your BSN; just as it would us all. No way will I say gaining formal education is a bad idea, it helps you, the rest of nursing, and your patients to do this.

But this will be hard to make work and enforce, unless your state has an extreme overage of RNs and can afford to loose a LOT of them through attrition by not obtaining their BSNs in the requisite time. I predict this won't come to pass.

We already are losing so many nurses to retirement (baby boomers are the majority and the average RN is now well over 40). Also, many others are leaving nursing, or at least the bedside, due to burnout. Like I said, it will be difficult for this to fly, given these factors, alone.

[MBA2BRN]

Originally Posted by Gennaver

Hi,
Yes, and the very same with Social Workers, (of which I was aiming to become). So, the time, sweat, money and energy that goes into that esteemed MSW will earn ya a whopping 28K a year.

Let me clarify that Social Work does not have an MSW as entry. Social workers can gain entry as a paraprofessional with as little as a GED/High School diploma. One can gain a professional license as a clinician in some States with as little as a BA/BS after putting in about 2 years of clinical work (MSWs usually need 2 years too).

As for pay, it all depends on what position you hold as an MSW plus your location. In my State, for instance, pay is a joke. This is why when I returned to graduate school I did not earn a MSW rather I earned an MBA and I moved out of social work and into health care.

I think you made the right decision. I like helping people, but I had a problem helping people who are working class making slightly less then I did when I worked full-time with one going on two college degrees at the time.