[Katnip]

I'm curious.

Are you sure the law doesn't grandfather current ADN nurses in.

Most laws that I've seen states considering this grandfather the ADNs in.

Then, NEW nurses may graduate with ADNs, and are given 10 years from that point on to obtain a BSN, which is usually subsidized by their employer.

I'd go back and check that carefully.

And please, don't let this thread become another ADN/BSN debate. Most healthcare professions require a Bachelor's degree and many require a master's. It's got nothing to do with who gives better care.

[JoeyDog]

This will never ever work even if they do grandfather in current ADN's. Hospitals think the nursing shortage is bad now wait until there are only universities with limited seats teaching a program that takes about 4 years to complete.

Does this really make sense? Would pateints really recieve better care from a BSN who (b/c of the elimination of ADN programs) has to have a patient load of 10!!?? Do patients even care if thier nurse has a BSN or an ADN??? Do they even know what the difference means, especially when it comes to clinical practice? Would the patients be able to tell a difference based on the care they recieve? The answer to all of these questions is (IMHO) NO!!!

I thought the country began the ADN program as a means to create qualified nurses in a shorter ammount of time. Why now are they no longer qualified? ADN and BSN alike take the same NCLEX.

I am a pre-nursing student who will be applying to an ADN program in a few short months. I am not worried about being forced out of my (future) job b/c I chose not to get a BSN instead.

This proposal will never happen. 'Nuff said.

[Happy2Beme]

Originally Posted by RunningWithScissors

This has been an Urban Legend in nursing since I graduated 26 years ago.

Perhaps NM is considering it now, but this is an old,old idea that never ends up coming to fruition.

Urban legend LOL
That's about right.
Yep, when I started the ADN program in '79, that was the propaganda, and they were saying they wanted it by 1984

RIIIGGGHHHTTTT!!!!!

Or local hospital has to import nurses from Canada and PhillIpines, because nobody around here will even work there,
Diploma, ADN or BSN.

[fuegorama]

Originally Posted by mrsalby

My state is considering making a requirement that ADN's earn their BSN within 10y or have license revoked or suspended.

Why?
Can anyone give a cogent answer as to what benefit this will have on healthcare?

[decartes]

I am currently an accelerated BSN student and just like the masses in allnurses.com, I wondered what the difference was. These days, I'm sure we're hearing a lot about "evidence based practice." Unfortunately, the ADN course does not prepare nurses with sound literature research skills. Apparently, studies have been conducted regarding the use of EBP vs. peer transferred interventions and EBP resulted in more favorable outcomes. The research skill, which a BSN track provides, is "supposed" to enable us to more effectively review and critique the latest research and apply them into practice. I guess it also ties into all the legal stuff that nurses are subjected to if a patient decides to sue somebody.

In my little experience so far, it seems that nursing care is largely intuitive. In having research supporting your care, it would be more difficult for anyone to pick on you if your interventions are supported by research.

I hope this helps.

[mtdnk]

I think the link provided is an excellent place to begin your research of why the concept to require FUTURE professional nurses to earn a Bachelor's degree within 10 years of their initial licensure.

Please do note that this is a proactive measure, meaning that those who are already licensed, or already students in a nursing program would be exempt.

I do realize that it can be a blow to one's ego when a comparison is done between an ADN and BSN program, but it pays us as a PROFESSION to not take things personally, and to unite in promoting our position in the healthcare industry.

This call is to establsh a consistent entry level for the nursing profession. Several current studies report that facilities in which a higher proportion of direct-care (not management!) RN's held BSN, had lower mortality rates. There are many valid articles that discuss the various pros of the nursing educational debate, way to many to post on this forum.

It is experience and hands on training that will give you the edge, not a BSN 20 or 30 years ago.

I don't really think this comment is relevant. A degree is never the end of anything, usually a beginning. It is the skills you learn in and by obtaining a colege education that also perfect with time and allow for continued learning in practice (AKA "an edge"). A BSN includes not only more liberal arts (with a focus in ethics and the humanities) but also advanced sciences. Community health nursing, research and leadership are generally components of the BSN programs (leadership does not equal "management" for this discussion). Critical thinking, health teaching, leadership and professinalism are essential components of the BSN curriculum, and (despite the probable personalizations which will occur) most AD educators are less apt to include these concepts in their curriculm.

FYI: 2006 NCLEX pass rates https://www.ncsbn.org/Table_of_Pass_Rates_2006.pdf

More independent scope of practice?
No, as both ADN's and BSN's all practice under the same licensure level.

As do MSN's (at least in New York). The suggestion for a BSN entry level is not new (by a long shot!). The most important action one can take is to do your research before you decide something isn't good. There are many issues regarding nursing that are currently under scrutiny, the BSN debate is only one.

There are many articles available that give various positions about the nursing education debate, too many to list all the pros and cons on this forum.

I have seen many good reasons to pursue one's education, none that support stagnation.

[chestrockwell]

What about all the nurses that have previous bachelor's degrees and later went back to get an ADN? Why should they need a BSN?

[suni]

I worked hard for my BSN and spent a lot of money getting in, I do not think RN's should be grandfathered into a BSN. How does that build respect and what does it say about Professionalism in nursing? Do I think I am a better bedside nurse because I have a BSN? NO! But I do think I am better informed and aware of how health care runs, I understand the importance of EBP and statistical analysis and quanitiative and qualitative research. I was a diploma grad and went back to school 2 years ago to finish a BSN.
I am firmly against grandfathering in of other RN's, if you know it will be required, start back now and work hard to get your BSN like the rest of us.

[suni]

Let me clarify my earlier post: I also believe that there are many nurses out there who are diploma grads and ADN's who are well rounded and have a understanding of the things I mentioned previously, I guess what it really takes is for the individual to strive to increase their knowledge base and professionalism no matter what letters you have after your name.
Still opposed to grandfathering but as we all know what will be will be.

[mtdnk]

A BSN is a Bachelor of Science in Nursing. There is a distinction in curriculum.