[mvsnurse2b]

Since all Associate Degree programs have the same clinical requirements that prepare us for the same NCLEX exam that the BSN program requires- I think the requirement by any BON for the more advanced degree is ridiculous! I am currently in my forties with two kids in college and have recently become an RN-this is my second career in life. While I plan to continue with school to enable me to teach as I get older, I truly don't believe additional courses in nursing theory will add anything to experienced nurses who could easily teach the courses-I truly believe that advance degrees have become the norm, instead of the exception-this norm is being set by a generation that was able to, and expected to access education.
On the other hand, education never hurt anyone...do it for yourself-learns something new-make more money-ask for tuition reimbursement.

[ragingmomster]

Never Happen.

Logistics alone will keep it from happening.

Where will they find slots in schools for the ADN's who do go back to school?

We don't have enough nurses because we don't have enough educators right now.

Maybe if they tried this 15-20 years ago they would have gotten it through.

[collegemomrn]

I think that there has been a history in nursing to make the BSN the professional nurse. The problem is the nurse shortage and can any state afford to diminish their number of nurses by inforcing a law requiring a BSN. I think it could cause a hardship on older nurses who just are not going to do it. They will retire first. I am 54 years old myself and doing the BSN thing right now. There is no threat of requirement here, I am doing it for me. I am too close to retirement to have someone force me to do something I don't want to do. Nurses may leave your state to practice elsewhere. It could be like what the young physicians are doing in PA because of the cost of malpractice insurance. I think the nurses in your state need to talk to your political leaders and tell them what you all are thinking of this new plan.

[nell]

Wow, if they tried that here, I'd be out the door.

I graduated in 1977 and none of my credits would count now. If I had to go through 4 more years of school, it wouldn't be nursing school.

minus another nurse and counting...

nell

[ZASHAGALKA]

Some organization might have promoted the idea, and some state legislator may have given it lip service for votes, but no state is seriously considering this idea.

In fact, it was tried, in N. Dakota and after 10 yrs of effort, they barely got BSN to 50% and gave it up as a failure. And, every state knows that.

No state is going to lone ranger this idea again.

Without a national mandate, this issue is dead. The problem: your employers don't want to actually hand out the extra pay and respect that BSN entry would provide. So, the idea will always be out-lobbied by more powerful interests. N. Dakota was again a rare exception and the very failure of the idea in ND gives every other lobbyist primary evidence to point towards.

BSN will never happen by strong arm force of law. It will only happen if nurses themselves reach a consensus on the issue and push it for ourselves.

~faith,
Timothy.

[gggggg]

I work with lots of fabulous nurses that have associates degrees or diplomas; I have a BSN and learn from them every day. I also work with LPNs that I can say the same of. I think about 75% of the non-BSN nurses I work with would leave nursing before they would go back for an associates degree, so I definitely don't think any legislation on this should apply to currently practicing nurses.

[Altra]

OP, do you have a link to the text of the proposal by the BON, or the bill before your legislature?

[NRSKarenRN]

Idea making a comeback "better educated workforce"

New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs Board of Nursing MinutesNew Jersey State Nurses Association passed a resolution that would require that ... in nursing within ten years of completion of their entry level programs. ...
www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/nursing/minute/nur620.htm


AACN - Media - Impact of Education on Nursing Practice Fact Sheet
New "BSN-in-10" proposals in New York and New Jersey have been introduced by state nursing associations to require the baccalaureate degree for all registered nurses with 10 years of graduation from an entry-level RN program. Other states are considering similar proposals in the interest of ensuring a better educated workforce. Read AACN's support letters for the New York and New Jersey initiatives.

www.aacn.nche.edu/Media/FactSheets/ImpactEdNP.htm - 51k


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[ZASHAGALKA]

Originally Posted by NRSKarenRN

Idea making a comeback "better educated workforce"

New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs Board of Nursing MinutesNew Jersey State Nurses Association passed a resolution that would require that ... in nursing within ten years of completion of their entry level programs. ...
www.njconsumeraffairs.gov/nursing/minute/nur620.htm


AACN - Media - Impact of Education on Nursing Practice Fact Sheet
New "BSN-in-10" proposals in New York and New Jersey have been introduced by state nursing associations to require the baccalaureate degree for all registered nurses with 10 years of graduation from an entry-level RN program. Other states are considering similar proposals in the interest of ensuring a better educated workforce. Read AACN's support letters for the New York and New Jersey initiatives.

www.aacn.nche.edu/Media/FactSheets/ImpactEdNP.htm - 51k


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The NJ proposition is by a student organization, hardly a legislative feat.

The NY proposition died unvoted on in both houses. Bills that don't receive either debate or vote are generally DOA issues promoted by legislators to give lip service to an idea.

I'm not against BSN entry, but the lobbyists against it are simply more powerful. The only power strong enough to overcome the biases against this idea are nurses themselves.

That will take a consensus. And a consensus will have to be about bringing us all along and not putting some of us down. The ANA has never retracted their 'technical' insult from 1965. The place to START a real discussion on BSN entry is right there.

Otherwise, we've learned nothing in 40 yrs. The only way to break a fundamentally polarized impasse is to unpolarize the issue. That should be evident by now.

~faith,
Timothy.

[NRSKarenRN]

The NY proposition died unvoted on in both houses. Bills that don't receive either debate or vote are generally DOA issues promoted by legislators to give lip service to an idea.

Bills are started too to "test the waters" for an idea, see what opposing sides point of view is, restructure legislation, and resubmit during next legislative session with goal of passage. Grass roots lobbying and support key organizations/stakeholders often key ...sometimes works, other times bill still defeated.

Remember the pen is often mightier than the sword.