[z's playa]

Originally Posted by mcorrao77

I will have my BSN degree this summer. I am in an accelerated program and will complete it within one year. However, I looked into AD programs too and it did not make sense for me to go 2 yrs when I could do it all in 1 year AND have a BSN. (I also have a previous BS degree from my first college experience) I feel that the nursing prof needs both AD and BSN nurses. However, I also feel that there should be two different NCLEX tests -- one for the AD grad and one for the BSN grad. Two levels of degree should have two levels of NCLEX. Anyone agree??

I totally agreee. I brought this up before . I was confused if..you have two different courses...why not two different tests?

It makes more sense.

Z

[Angie O'Plasty, RN]

Originally Posted by mcorrao77

I will have my BSN degree this summer. I am in an accelerated program and will complete it within one year. However, I looked into AD programs too and it did not make sense for me to go 2 yrs when I could do it all in 1 year AND have a BSN. (I also have a previous BS degree from my first college experience) I feel that the nursing prof needs both AD and BSN nurses. However, I also feel that there should be two different NCLEX tests -- one for the AD grad and one for the BSN grad. Two levels of degree should have two levels of NCLEX. Anyone agree??

No, I don't. ADNs might've gone to school for a year less than BSNs, nevertheless, they're responsible for the same standard of practice.

[z's playa]

See I don't get that. Why are they responsible for the same stuff when they didn't take all the same stuff? Or did they?

AARGH!

I've been here for HOW long and I still don't get all the differences.


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[Angie O'Plasty, RN]

The NCLEX is not education-based, it is Standard-of-Care based.

Hope that helps.

[mcorrao77]

Originally Posted by Angie O'Plasty, RN

No, I don't. ADNs might've gone to school for a year less than BSNs, nevertheless, they're resposible for the same standard of practice.

AD nurses go to school 2 years less than the BSN. In the accelerated course level, the student must have all the prereqs completed before she/he can begin the program. For my program, I took 18 credits the first sem, 18 the second, and I'm currently taking 16 credits this summer. It may take a yr to complete but it actually takes longer when you consider the prereqs that you must do. Plus, the traditional programs are 4 years long. The BSN prepared students take more research, leadership, and communication skills classes than do the ADN. There should be two tests -- both tests should have the same standard of care questions, but the BSN test should have extra material that was discussed in their program as well to differentiate it.

That's where it's different.

[txspadequeen921]

Ok, Lets say they did give different test , one for the ADN's and one for the BSN grads. Do you feel there should be some sort of additional required designation for name tags and such. Many of the RN's I know just have RN on their name tag and they are not required to add BSN or ADN to their name tag. I have no idea who has a BSN and who has a ADN in my facility and really dont care either .. A RN is a RN is a RN... Moreover, what could be accomplished by having two tests? Where does the diploma nurse fall into the mix?

Originally Posted by mcorrao77

I will have my BSN degree this summer. I am in an accelerated program and will complete it within one year. However, I looked into AD programs too and it did not make sense for me to go 2 yrs when I could do it all in 1 year AND have a BSN. (I also have a previous BS degree from my first college experience) I feel that the nursing prof needs both AD and BSN nurses. However, I also feel that there should be two different NCLEX tests -- one for the AD grad and one for the BSN grad. Two levels of degree should have two levels of NCLEX. Anyone agree??

[Angie O'Plasty, RN]

Ok, Lets say they did give different test , one for the ADN's and one for the BSN grads.......what could be accomplished by having two tests? Where does the diploma nurse fall into the mix?

I wouldn't really care if they did give two different tests. I could probably pass either or both of them, as could any diploma nurse.

What would be accomplished, I have no idea. Which is why I'm so against it. Why make more and more complex rules when we can barely function with the ones we have?

[Marie_LPN]

What would be accomplished, I have no idea. Which is why I'm so against it. Why make more and more complex rules when we can barely function with the ones we have?

Well said.

[mcorrao77]

It seems to me that the nurses who are at a lower level of learning are against the move to BSN which is something I don't understand! Why wouldn't you want to further your education in your desired profession? The majority of health care workers (physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy, etc...) need at least a bachelor's degree to work. Why should the nurse be any different? Don't you want to be on the same playing field with others in the health care team? I understand that not all RN's want their BSN, which is why I say that we still need ADN programs. However, the diploma programs are starting to wean out and the majority of health care facilities want BSN prepaired students. Also, whereever I've been the ADN just has RN by his/her name and the BSN has RN, BSN by his/her name. I'm busting my butt for my BSN and I want it to show on my nametag. I want the patients/families/community/and others in the health care team to know that I went for the long haul and worked hard and achieved a higher status.

I guess I don't understand why you would just want to settle with an AD when you can further your knowledge and benefit your patients.

I hope eventually New York goes with only BSN prepaired students! Let's work together to have insight and more knowledge so that nursing can be recognized as the profession that it needs to be!

[Angie O'Plasty, RN]

Originally Posted by mcorrao77

I guess I don't understand why you would just want to settle with an AD when you can further your knowledge and benefit your patients.

Because to be perfectly honest, at an ADN level, I make a good salary and I can tolerate the working conditions. If I had to have a BSN, I would be unhappy with my salary and expect better working conditions. In addition, I would have yet another big bill to pay back.

In short, if I had to have a BSN, I'd probably find another line of work.