[suzy253]

Originally Posted by Tweety

You're being snarly because you know you'll win the prize!

Snarl, Snarl, Snarl

[Tweety]

Originally Posted by suzy253

Snarl, Snarl, Snarl

Diploma nurses rock!

[caroladybelle]

Originally Posted by Tweety

I've heard you talk about your program before. Frankly I'm a bit dismayed at the current trend of granting associate degrees with all that work. Associate Degrees are supposed to be two year degrees that transfer to a four year institution.

I'm not saying you feel this way, but ADNs are getting ripped off by all the requirements and being awarded associate degrees 20 hours shy of some BSN programs.

The is nothing unique to Nursing. For quite a while, Bachelor's physical therapy degrees required the educational time equivalent in hours of a five year degree, despite the title "Bachelor's", implying a basic 4 year plan.. Pharmacy degrees have almost always required extra hours, until recent requirements that all be a pharmD.

And frankly what is a bigger ripoff, is that you can, in some areas have done a three year diploma program and may get little to no college credit for it.

I don't bemoan that it required that many hours, I just get tired of people using "two year degree" like it was a regular AA. Much like people that refer to PTs as "just moving people around", not giving credit to them for their deeper skills of knowledge and assessment.

As far as it goes, if I return to my home area in Central Florida, my CC program is now paired with USF and I could get a BSN in 31 semester hours. That would entail getting paid FL wages/dealing with FL MD egos/and dealing with FL heat ...... either my health would suffer (autoimune disease and excess heat do not mix - why my assignments are North except for visiting family in the depthes of Winter) or I would smart off at a twit of an MD/supervisor, with a tiny brain and an ego bigger than Disney. Those make the prospect somewhat undesirable. Though 131 hours is not that much more than 120

However, if I go elsewhere, I lose a lot of my school credits. And once one does stats and chemistry, does one really want to do them again?

Though as a single person, I face that I will need to return, so that when I can no longer lift 350# patients, and have tired of being nice to the egoists, I will have something to stay afloat with.

[Kelly_the_Great]

Originally Posted by Tweety

Diploma nurses rock!

Yeah, they do!

[Tweety]

Originally Posted by caroladybelle

The is nothing unique to Nursing. For quite a while, Bachelor's physical therapy degrees required the educational time equivalent in hours of a five year degree, despite the title "Bachelor's", implying a basic 4 year plan.. Pharmacy degrees have almost always required extra hours, until recent requirements that all be a pharmD.

And frankly what is a bigger ripoff, is that you can, in some areas have done a three year diploma program and may get little to no college credit for it.

I don't bemoan that it required that many hours, I just get tired of people using "two year degree" like it was a regular AA. Much like people that refer to PTs as "just moving people around", not giving credit to them for their deeper skills of knowledge and assessment.

As far as it goes, if I return to my home area in Central Florida, my CC program is now paired with USF and I could get a BSN in 31 semester hours. That would entail getting paid FL wages/dealing with FL MD egos/and dealing with FL heat ...... either my health would suffer (autoimune disease and excess heat do not mix - why my assignments are North except for visiting family in the depthes of Winter) or I would smart off at a twit of an MD/supervisor, with a tiny brain and an ego bigger than Disney. Those make the prospect somewhat undesirable. Though 131 hours is not that much more than 120

However, if I go elsewhere, I lose a lot of my school credits. And once one does stats and chemistry, does one really want to do them again?

Though as a single person, I face that I will need to return, so that when I can no longer lift 350# patients, and have tired of being nice to the egoists, I will have something to stay afloat with.

I would be nice if those cc colleges with such high standards would just invest a few more hours and give BSNs since you are so close. St. Pete college here went has an ADN to BSN track that's a little more than 30 hours, but it's a part-time program that takes about 18 months. To get so many hours and have an associate degree that in the minds of most people is a "two year" degree is a bit aggravating. I agree with your sentiments about the diploma programs as well.

Still, 30 hours equal 10 more courses if they are 3-hour classes, or 7 or so if there are some 4-hour classes in there. Not just a "few more courses". (You didn't say that, but I've seen many times the presumption the BSN is nothing more than a few more courses, so I thought I'd add that two cents in while I'm running off at the mouth. )

[Sheri257]

Originally Posted by gauge14iv

Remember too that what makes sense for one person doesn't necessarily fit everybody elses situation. .

I didn't say that it did. I specifically stated that this was the particular situation for my case in California ... twice. No matter how many times you clarify these things ... people always jump on you for over generalizing, even when you don't. It drives me crazy.

Originally Posted by gauge14iv

Most of the hospitals here do pay at least a small differential for a BS or BSN, over time it adds up.

I did the ASN to BS route. I wish I had just done the BS right off the bat too. It took me 6 years total to do both the AS and BS by the time I did pre-reqs for both, redid prereqs for the BS because they had changed the requirements and the school I went to for the BS had some additional requirements, and the AS alone took me almost 4 years anyway! In the long run it cost me more money and more time in school to do go the add on route.

Again ... (headline) ... talking about my specific situation in California ...

I'm going to make $100K a year when I graduate. It doesn't make sense to get the BSN right away for an extra two bucks an hour ... or an extra $4K a year when I'd lose $200K in income.

And that extra $2 an hour is only available with one employer. Everybody else pays ADN's and BSN's the same. So the extra $4K a year isn't really much of a factor in most cases.

But, even if it was, at $4K a year it would take me 50 years to make up for the lost $200K in income if I'd gone straight through a BSN program instead of the ADN.

Besides... with all of the online ADN-to-BSN programs that are available now, you can also shop around for degree requirements that best save the most time.

[Tweety]

Originally Posted by lizz

I didn't say that it did. I specifically stated that this was the particular situation for my case in California ... twice. No matter how many times you clarify these things ... people always jump on you for over generalizing, even when you don't. It drives me crazy.



Again ... (headline) ... talking about my specific situation in California ...

I'm going to make $100K a year when I graduate. It doesn't make sense to get the BSN right away for an extra two bucks an hour ... or an extra $4K a year when I'd lose $200K in income.

And that extra $2 an hour is only available with one employer. Everybody else pays ADN's and BSN's the same. So the extra $4K a year isn't really much of a factor in most cases.

But, even if it was, at $4K a year it would take me 50 years to make up for the lost $200K in income if I'd gone straight through a BSN program instead of the ADN.

Besides... with all of the online ADN-to-BSN programs that are available now, you can also shop around for degree requirements that best save the most time.

I agree with you from a financial point of view, if in California people are getting ADN degrees in two years from start to finish.

Here in Florida it might take an ADN 3 to 4 years to get an ADN, and 4 years to get a BSN, sometimes that has to be factored into the financial equation. (That was my beef above, people taking 3 or more years to get an associates degree that back in a day was designed to be done in two years.)

But even one year's loss of salary to get a BSN might not be worth it for all persons.

[nursinguy]

Originally Posted by Tweety

I agree with you from a financial point of view, if in California people are getting ADN degrees in two years from start to finish.

Here in Florida it might take an ADN 3 to 4 years to get an ADN, and 4 years to get a BSN, sometimes that has to be factored into the financial equation. (That was my beef above, people taking 3 or more years to get an associates degree that back in a day was designed to be done in two years.)

But even one year's loss of salary to get a BSN might not be worth it for all persons.

It takes 2 years to get the prereqs done and 6 months to get into the ADN program so its realy 4 and 1/2 years here in cali.

[nursinguy]

Originally Posted by lizz

I didn't say that it did. I specifically stated that this was the particular situation for my case in California ... twice. No matter how many times you clarify these things ... people always jump on you for over generalizing, even when you don't. It drives me crazy.



Again ... (headline) ... talking about my specific situation in California ...

I'm going to make $100K a year when I graduate. It doesn't make sense to get the BSN right away for an extra two bucks an hour ... or an extra $4K a year when I'd lose $200K in income.

And that extra $2 an hour is only available with one employer. Everybody else pays ADN's and BSN's the same. So the extra $4K a year isn't really much of a factor in most cases.

But, even if it was, at $4K a year it would take me 50 years to make up for the lost $200K in income if I'd gone straight through a BSN program instead of the ADN.

Besides... with all of the online ADN-to-BSN programs that are available now, you can also shop around for degree requirements that best save the most time.

Your correct people that do the BSN rather than ADN have100k in lost wages.

[Sheri257]

Originally Posted by nursinguy

It takes 2 years to get the prereqs done and 6 months to get into the ADN program so its realy 4 and 1/2 years here in cali.

True ... but, with one of the BSN programs in my area, they wanted you to take more "optional" pre-reqs which weren't required but, you pretty much had to take them to get in ... and they had another year of nursing school itself.

Another program required additional religious courses on top of that (it was a private school) and they would cost yet another $15K on top of the additional $10K the state university would cost (for a total of $25K)

Either way you were looking at 1 to 2 years additional time minimum, or 5.5 to 6.5 years with the BSN ... and a lot of lost income and tuition costs.

So yeah ... the California ADN can take a long time at 4.5 years but, BSN would have taken even longer at 5.5 to 6.5 years minimum, at least for me.

Again, this is just my particular situation, it could be different elsewhere ...