[Momto3andNurse2B]

Great post!

[Marie_LPN]

Bottom line is if we want respect for our profession then we need to start acting like professionals. When other medical professions hear or read (yes I can guarantee other professions read this board) they lose respect for us because all they see is us bickering over who knows more or who had the better degree. Respect will come to our profession when we start respecting each other within our profession.

Exactly.

[Tweety]

Originally Posted by nurse2be2007

Bottom line is if we want respect for our profession then we need to start acting like professionals. When other medical professions hear or read (yes I can guarantee other professions read this board) they lose respect for us because all they see is us bickering over who knows more or who had the better degree. Respect will come to our profession when we start respecting each other within our profession.

Take care all, I wish you all well!

Well, the general public consistently rates nurses as an honest and trustworthy profression, so who cares what other professions think. j/k

Also, if that's all they see when they come to this board, then they are specifically looking for it, because at any given time out of the thousands of posts on this board there are only a few threads ongoing about this debate. (And it's been ongoing since I've been here.)

Sad if that's all they see when they come here.

But great post!

[Marie_LPN]

It may not be all they see, but it'll be a lot of what they remember.

[nurse2be2007]

Originally Posted by Tweety

Well, the general public consistently rates nurses as an honest and trustworthy profression, so who cares what other professions think. j/k

Very True, the problem arises within our profession and if it wasnt there then this and other threads about ASN/BSN debate wouldnt be in existance

Also, if that's all they see when they come to this board, then they are specifically looking for it, because at any given time out of the thousands of posts on this board there are only a few threads ongoing about this debate. (And it's been ongoing since I've been here.)

Sad if that's all they see when they come here.

But great post!

Actually, I didnt say that is all they come to this board for, however, if the debate is here then they will see it. I found this thread on the home page in the hot topics. I always read those first before going on to my normal sections. My point isnt about other professions as much as it is about OUR profession. I wont repeat what I said because I dont want to sound redundant but really if everyone is so concerned about our profession getting the respect it deserves, maybe we need to look to our patients for the answer. Everyone I know who isnt a nurse thinks the nursing profession is one of the most respected prestigous. Did I just say nursing is prestigous? LOL I didnt realize handling every bodily fluid known to mankind and maybe even some NOT known to mankind could be considered "prestigous".

I do have to share a story with you all that sort of relates to this but not really. My dad went to his doctor the other day for his routine hypertension checkup and he was telling his doctor about me going to nursing school. He tells my dad to tell me to go for my medical license instead of nursing because nurses get attacked from all sides of the spectrum. He said the doctors beat them up, the patients beat them up and their fellow nurses beat them up (not physically of course but I am sure you get my drift) I told my dad, yea and I will get beat up by my nursing instructors, nurse proctors and everyone else in between. This is different from other professions how? As a bookkeeper I got beat up by my clients (because I wouldnt alter their books so they could get out of paying taxes) by the CPA for the same reasons and so forth. It happens in every profession, its to be expected. I know that nurses tend to get more evil wraths than the norm, maybe this is what we need to focus more on bring respect to our profession by standing our ground together. We are NOT whipping post for people to beat up on, are we?

Anyway, I really hope that I can make a difference one patient at a time. That is my goal, everything else is just water under the bridge.

[okie2]

Let's all kiss and make-up!


Now doesn't that feel better?

[ELKMNin06]

Originally Posted by nurse2be2007

This includes ALL degrees not just BSN! LPN, Diploma RN's, ASN's and BSN's they all want and deserve respect. PERIOD!



I agree but what also keeps the issue going is BSN's saying that nursing should have a BSN ONLY entry. I believe statements like that are what make LPN's and ASN's feel threatened to come back and try to protect their choice in degree by claiming that an ASN is more prepared. Obviously both degrees prepare you similarly if both ASN and BSN graduates take and pass the same NCLEX test.



Excellent point!

Now for my 2 cents. I really dont care what anyone thinks of my choice, so much so that I am not even going to endulge any of you why I made the choices I made. However, this issue is going to be on going until we stop treating each other poorly and start respecting each other as RN's and not disrepect for the degree each of us chose to get.

BTW, there are plenty of medical professions that require an ADN only as entry. I am not saying RN should be one of them, I happen to like it the way it is. Allowing different entry level routes keeps this wonderful career open to any and everyone who has the desire to become a nurse, even those that dont have the means (whether its financial, time factors, or other issues) to obtain a BSN right off the bat. Everyone is looking at the down side of having multiple degree entry to being an RN but what about the positive side. First it gives our profession diversity. We have nurses from all walks of life and that keeps our profession real to our patients. Second, if we all had the same level of education then we would all be the same, like robots instead of people. Having diversity keeps us real people and not manufactured SAME degree robots. Third, it keeps the work search competitive. Just think, if everyone had the same degree then what would set me apart from SuzieBSN or SuzieBSN apart from ClaraASN.

Bottom line is if we want respect for our profession then we need to start acting like professionals. When other medical professions hear or read (yes I can guarantee other professions read this board) they lose respect for us because all they see is us bickering over who knows more or who had the better degree. Respect will come to our profession when we start respecting each other within our profession.

Take care all, I wish you all well!

Yes I agree! My point was that it goes both ways. Not just ADN nurses keep it going, I know there are many BSN nurses who do as well. I know that we all want respect for our degrees, LPN, ADN, BSN everyone! I was just trying to point out that i have read posts of some ADN nurses that feel disrespected and want respect but then do not want to give it to anyone else! On the other hand I know that there are many BSN students who are the same way.

We all learn the same nursing skills...i mean no matter if you are ADN or BSN you will still learn how to insert a catherter and well, there arent that many ways to insert a cath...it is not the clinical portion of the degree that make the two degrees different, it is the fact that BSN students are required to usually have the other classes (path and such) as well as the other general ed courses...the theory is that it makes a person a better critical thinker.

I am not saying that I believe this or not bc I belive it rests highly on the individual wether or not they are a good critical thinker but I will say that I am all for education, the more the better. I am NOT saying that less education makes you "bad" nurse.

I am a student with a bachelors of arts in psychology and sociology. I am pursing my nursing degree at a masters level and would be more than honored to be precepted by a seasoned nurse, ADN, BSN, MN whatever! I just want a nurse that is supportive, fair, and that knows their stuff, in fact, unless their badge states their degree then I dont even want to know!

[Tweety]

Originally Posted by nurse2be2007

Anyway, I really hope that I can make a difference one patient at a time. That is my goal, everything else is just water under the bridge.

That's my main goal and focus on a daily basis.

I won't live with my head in the sand however and not acknowledge there are problems and put on a pretty face to the public and those professionals who visit this site.

We have issues, we discuss them if they are important to us. We ventilate. I am bothered that because of this nursing seems overly negative and full of nothing but bickering to those who visit this site, but that's the way it is I guess.

But yes, my main goal and focus is on the patient first and foremost. I need to take care of myself, body, mind (education be it BSN or journals or inservices) and spirit to continue to be the best that I can be.

I think we're pretty much on the same wavelength here.

[Tweety]

Originally Posted by Marie_LPN

It may not be all they see, but it'll be a lot of what they remember.

True enough.

[nurse2be2007]

Originally Posted by Tweety

That's my main goal and focus on a daily basis.

I won't live with my head in the sand however and not acknowledge there are problems and put on a pretty face to the public and those professionals who visit this site.

We have issues, we discuss them if they are important to us. We ventilate. I am bothered that because of this nursing seems overly negative and full of nothing but bickering to those who visit this site, but that's the way it is I guess.

But yes, my main goal and focus is on the patient first and foremost. I need to take care of myself, body, mind (education be it BSN or journals or inservices) and spirit to continue to be the best that I can be.

I think we're pretty much on the same wavelength here.

I wholeheartedly 1000% agree! To be honest I didnt even realize when I decided to go back to school for nursing that there was such a negative connotation hanging over the nursing profession till I came to this site. I must admit I have limited exposure to behind the scenes of the nursing profession, I have more exposure as the mother of a patient but the limited exposure I have had gave me a great feeling of pride inside me knowing that I will one day soon be apart of the best profession (IMHO) anyone could ever chose. I have wanted to be a nurse for as long as I remember and to have the opportunity to finally do it brings nothing but pure pleasure to my very soul. I try not to let all the negativity get to me and hope that I can lead by example once I am an RN and show others who are negative about the profession to see the bigger picture. Nurses are great, they do great things and it doesnt matter what degree you have. A great person makes a great nurse, not the degree.

Also, I am all for education as well. I will never say that one should lay dormant with their current degree. I believe we (as the human race) should always seek more knowledge. I just dont think that a degree defines the person. I know many knowledgeable and successful people who have never stepped foot into a college classroom. I also know some that have double BA's who are dumber than doornails (common sense wise). NO amount of education is going to teach a person common sense. Does that make sense? LOL There is that old saying (sometimes overused but I am going to use it again) "You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink". The same goes for education. You get out of it ONLY what you put into it no matter what degree you choose.

I just wish the debate would end and we can all be supportive of what the other chooses to do. Why do we have to judge another for their choices. Gosh how boring would this world be if we all did the same thing.