[Marie_LPN]

BSN is about professionalism. As the ADN stated at my clinical today, "we [ADN] are taught to DO and you [BSN] are taught to THINK".

It's remarks like this that further the divide. If peopel would stop making these know-it-all-look-down-my-nose-my-degree's-better-than-yours comments, the nursing world would be a little more pleasant to work at.

[RN34TX]

Originally Posted by lifeLONGstudent
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BSN is about professionalism. As the ADN stated at my clinical today, "we [ADN] are taught to DO and you [BSN] are taught to THINK". Not my words.[/color]

So then who is going around to the hospital units and doing all the "thinking" for the poor ADN's who are merely "doing"?

[Fun2Care]

Originally Posted by RN34TX

So then who is going around to the hospital units and doing all the "thinking" for the poor ADN's who are merely "doing"?

How did this become another STUPID ADN vs. BSN arguement? (....and, I'm sure you know "merely doing" is not part of any RN program.)

[RN34TX]

Originally Posted by Fun2Care

How did this become another STUPID ADN vs. BSN arguement? (....and, I'm sure you know "merely doing" is not part of any RN program.)

I was responding to the comment about ADN's "doing" vs. BSN's "thinking."
My point was that if ADN's aren't thinking but merely task performers, then why isn't there a BSN assigned to every ADN's patients to do their thinking for them?
Because it's a ridiculous idea in the first place, that's why.
Many nurses thrive on the education hierarchy and the arrogance and snobbery that goes along with it.
The evidence of that is right here on this website. Everyone seems to want to make a "Here we go again" type of comment whenever an education level thread gets started but they seem to keep popping up again and again with plenty of participation, this subject seems to remain very popular despite the "dead horse" comments.

[z's playa]

Originally Posted by RN34TX

I was responding to the comment about ADN's "doing" vs. BSN's "thinking."
My point was that if ADN's aren't thinking but merely task performers, then why isn't there a BSN assigned to every ADN's patients to do their thinking for them?
Because it's a ridiculous idea in the first place, that's why.
Many nurses thrive on the education hierarchy and the arrogance and snobbery that goes along with it.
The evidence of that is right here on this website. Everyone seems to want to make a "Here we go again" type of comment whenever an education level thread gets started but they seem to keep popping up again and again with plenty of participation, this subject seems to remain very popular despite the "dead horse" comments.

Dead horse ?....where?



Hehehehe....

Z

[oneLoneNurse]

While from the Canadian viewpoint it is the same thing. For us in the US it is not. You can get your RN through an ADN(2 years) or BSN(4 years). I think alot of us old nurses went to RN school because the barriers to entry was just 2 years. If I had had to take 4 years to become a nurse it would never have happened.

So while it may be confusing, I don't think it should go away.

Originally Posted by z's playa

Everytime I read this RN and BSN stuff I laugh.

Isn't a BSN an RN degree. Isn't it the same thing? Then I think no..you can get your ASN (sp?) right? I can't wait until there's ONE freaking degree for nurses and that's all she wrote.

Honestly. Right now it's confusing.

Z

Back to topic....

[BETSRN]

Originally Posted by Tony35NYC

Well, I don't see my BSN degree as a waste of time. You do learn things about management, budgeting, organization, wellness and community health, professional writing, and nursing research that are not taught in ADN programs. You also learn pathophysiology and assessment skills that are more advanced than what is taught in a 2-year program.

Yes, its true that an RN is an RN, but it is also true that in many places, if you have a BSN you get first dibs at most opportunities for advancement in your nursing career, ahead of ADN-RNs who've been in nursing for many more years than you.

Where did you get the idea that budgeting, organization and community health are not taught in ADN programs?

[BETSRN]

Originally Posted by jmgrn65

In Ohio Physian Assistants is a 2 year degree.

I believe that 2 years is a Master's degree, however.

[klj836]

Originally Posted by z's playa

Everytime I read this RN and BSN stuff I laugh.

Isn't a BSN an RN degree. Isn't it the same thing? Then I think no..you can get your ASN (sp?) right? I can't wait until there's ONE freaking degree for nurses and that's all she wrote.

Honestly. Right now it's confusing.

Z

Back to topic....

There is quite a bit of difference between ADN, BSN, MSN and APN. I am a diploma grad and for years have fought the "education" thing because I was a good nurse and could work circles around anyone, never miss an IV stick, and you know that whole story of the 'good nurse.' I am in the RN to MSN (skipping my BSN) program at a local university. I have always said that BS is Bull S___ and MS is More S____ and PHD is piles and heaps of d____. But, I have learned a great deal in my classes; where nursing came from and where we need to go to define our profession separately and not be considered just the doctor's helpers. We, nurses, have given away many of the things I always considered nursing. If we have a bad decubitus ulcer......guess what, we refer to PT do the the wound care; and never could we do a nebulizer or RT tx or manage a vent.....that requires a specialists. You get the picture. We have become a task oriented 'profession' willing to give up the cumbersom tasks to others who are making (taking) money from the DRG/insurance. Wonder why hospital costs are high? Nursing needs to be in charge of the patient's care, directing and guiding; we are the profesionals that are in charge of patient care. Or are we?

[suzy253]

Originally Posted by Tony35NYC

Well, I don't see my BSN degree as a waste of time. You do learn things about management, budgeting, organization, wellness and community health, professional writing, and nursing research that are not taught in ADN programs. You also learn pathophysiology and assessment skills that are more advanced than what is taught in a 2-year program.

Yes, its true that an RN is an RN, but it is also true that in many places, if you have a BSN you get first dibs at most opportunities for advancement in your nursing career, ahead of ADN-RNs who've been in nursing for many more years than you.

I'm in a diploma program and am just curious. What type of assessment skills (that are more advanced) than in a 2-year program are you talking about. We also do management and everything else that you listed.

Not knocking the BSN program if you want to advance. But let me get this right. BSN you do about 2 years prereqs and 2 years of actual nursing?