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Old Jul 13, 2007, 06:35 PM
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Re: BSN not all its cracked up to be

I disagree, I'm in the process of completing my BSN, in my senior year, I have 3 kids, work 2 part time tech jobs at two different hospitals, and go to school full time, oh and I can use a bedpan rather well too I might add. But for me it's not just the nursing degree, I wanted my bachelors degree. To me that is as much of an accomplishment if not more than achieving my RN lisensure. I will also be obtaining my masters degree part time over the next few years for FNP. It's not just about being a nurse but bettering myself, achieving the level of education I desire and meeting my personal educational goals. And each area is different right now my school of nursing has an equal amount of "adult" student (over 30 like myself) and younger 20 something students. and there are no night program options or online courses, we are going as "traditional students" on a "traditional schedule", so the assumption that older students with families are at the tech schools is just what you are seeing in your area, each is different and since I'm not at the techs school in my area I won't assume what type of students are there.

Which ever degree you choose I wish you the best but it's not all in the "nursing degree" part of it, some of actually want a bachelor's of science degree as well.

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Old Jul 13, 2007, 11:02 PM
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Not sure what you mean by a tech school? I went to a college that offers bachelors degrees, but not a bsn in nursing until 2009. I am 26 years old, and have been married happily for 7 years, have a 6 and 3 year old, so I guess you could consider me more like a 30 something than a 20 something based on the life I lead, huh? I know each program in different in the U.S., my post was just stating what I see in my town. When I say the majority of students in the bsn program are young and vice versa for the adn, I mean what I say majority. With all majorities are minorities, there are young students at adn schools and older students at bsn schools. Both just as successful, I believe your chronological age often times has no holding on your maturity level. I work with many amazing bsn prepared nurses, and many amazing adn nurses too. I appreciate everyone I work with. Thanx!

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Old Jul 14, 2007, 12:46 AM
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I'd have to agree with LLG and tweety. There's no reason to compare both ADN nurses and BSN nurses it just creates problems in the nursing community, and believe me there are already too many issues in nursing to deal with already. But i'd have to agree that despite the same pay BSN nurses get with ADN nurses, they do have better opportunities than the ADN prepared nurse. I'm not sure why the pay is the same, perhaps BSN should start speaking up for their advanced education they've received.

But since the poster is adament that ADN nurses are sooo much better and want to compare, I guess we should start creating programs in community college to train doctors and pharmacists too since they spit out such "quality" students.

Yeah I didn't think so.


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Old Jul 14, 2007, 09:14 PM
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I wish that here in Canada, we had a choice. The new entry to practice as an RN is a BSN. We no longer have a choice as how to become an RN. Our LPN program is now 2.5 years long and teaches many skills that the hospitals likely will not allow an LPN to use. I am considering doing a BSN in a year because it is required for any reasonable opportunities and I am concerned that I may not be able to keep up with the heavy lifting when I am in my 60's as our hospitals here in Ontario do not hire aides any longer.

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Old Jul 17, 2007, 10:40 PM
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Re: BSN not all its cracked up to be

Originally Posted by JOLLIEHOLLY View Post
Not sure what you mean by a tech school?
Two-year colleges are also called "technical schools" because they teach technical/vocational things. In other words..."training" vs. "education" in the true sense of the words. Not dissing 2-year colleges...those are commonly accepted descriptive words for the two types of colleges.

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Old Jul 19, 2007, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by chaxanmom View Post
Two-year colleges are also called "technical schools" because they teach technical/vocational things. In other words..."training" vs. "education" in the true sense of the words. Not dissing 2-year colleges...those are commonly accepted descriptive words for the two types of colleges.
The school I went to was "Fayetteville Technical Community College"....how confusing is that.

I recieved an ADN from an NLN approved program. I don't really mind if one thinks I have "technical" degree or not. I'm not wrapped up in descriptive words.

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Old Jul 19, 2007, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tweety View Post
The school I went to was "Fayetteville Technical Community College"....how confusing is that.

I recieved an ADN from an NLN approved program. I don't really mind if one thinks I have "technical" degree or not. I'm not wrapped up in descriptive words.
I was answering a specific question, not making a judgement. As far as actual nursing practice goes, an RN is an RN.

However, I do have to comment on your last sentence. Words mean things. They matter. Nurses of all people should know that.

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Old Jul 19, 2007, 07:04 PM
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Actually, the diploma grads have the highest pass rates.
https://www.ncsbn.org/1237.htm
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 07:12 PM
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Re: BSN not all its cracked up to be

Perhaps I'm not qualified to render an opinion since I don't even start NS until January. However, my life experience gives me a perspective that I choose to share, anyway.

Originally Posted by chaxanmom View Post
...an RN is an RN.
That's precisely the issue. To practice, you need to earn an RN which means you have a certain number of clinical contact hours, an education in the nursing scope of practice, and the ability to pass the NCLEX.

However, the license really doesn't mean squat about your education. It's just a license. It's akin to an ATP, the license held by the jet jockeys flying for the airlines. Their ATP, which is very tough to earn and keep, means that their skill and knowledge as pilots is deemed minimally acceptable for their scope of practice. Likewise, the RN license means that the holder has the minimally acceptable skills to practice the nursing scope of practice.

A college degree (AA/S, BA/S, MA/S, PhD, etc) means a certain level of competence in areas of thought outside of ones specialty. It means a minimum level of educational proficiency in communications, computational skills, and critical thinking.

A college degree also signifies a minimal level of educational proficiency in major-specific topics (the level of which is proportional to the degree level) and the opportunity to study more ancillary topics (again, the higher the degree, the more this is true).

Whether one values the education beyond that required to attain the license probably depends on their point of view.

Personally, all other things being equal, I would choose to hire people with more education rather than less in any line of work.

Certainly, university education does not make a good nurse. On the other hand, a nurse who has a baccalaureate or advanced degree, is probably more able to adapt to new situations, independently learn new subject matter, or develop an appropriate course of action in a case for which they've not been specifically trained.

I think all nurses should be encouraged to pursue as much education as they're willing. On the other hand, during those months my daughter was in the NICU, I never checked which degrees the good nurses held. I knew they were RNs, skilled in neonatal care, and I knew the ones that were good.

Offering a perspective from outside of nursing (I start my DEMSN in January), though, I do think that, in the long run, the nursing profession would benefit by having a higher educational requirement for entry.

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Old Jul 20, 2007, 12:59 PM
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Re: BSN not all its cracked up to be

if you're going to work bedside, it doesn't make one iota of difference which degree you've got. heck, i've got a b.s. in accounting and an asn, and my hospital hired me as though i were a bsn. all they cared about was a bachelor's degree.

let's be honest... there are lpn's who are better nurses than most rn's. they've been doing this a long time, and there is simply no substitute for time in the saddle

... so the adn/bsn argument doesn't make any sense. no program graduates the "best nurses".

as far as nursing education and nurse manager jobs, i've reached the very end of the road in my nursing education. the last thing i want to be is a nurse manager!


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