[bubbly]

Hi all! As a new grad, I found the job search difficult because most hospitals are looking for experienced nurses instead of training nursing newbies. Most hospitals in need of nurses looking for new grads will take any RN degree out there. However, some specialties like the ER, NICU, PICU, and OR, are more competitive for new grads to get into than other nursing areas. In those cases, do you think BSN grads have the advantage over ASN nurses? I was just curious if anyone had difficulty getting into a specialty new grad position and thinks their degree helped or hindered them. I know some hospitals pay BSN new grads more, but not any hospitals around me do that (at least not to my knowledge). I am a BSN grad and not sure if it gave me a job hunting advantage. I do know that of the 15 new grads hired in my NICU, only 3 were ASN. Although the ASN grads did beat out potential BSN grad applicants so my unit was looking more at other things than just the degree (which I think is how it should be). I was just wondering what you all think or if you had any experience with hospitals hiring BSN nurses over ASN nurses just because of the degree difference and not the experience or other factors.

[ckc6977]

Personally, I think it depends on the area in which you live. In my area, my DIPLOMA based program is well-known and would probably beat out a ADN or BSN new grad easily. Also, Diploma and ADN programs have more clinical hour-credits because they are more clinically based programs. Sometimes this can also appeal to certain hospitals.

If I had it to do all over again, I would choose to obtain my BSN. When I was searching for the right school for me, my Diploma program told me that you only needed your BSN if you wanted to become part of management (nurse manager, etc). Little did I know that couldn't be further from the truth! You can't teach, perform research, etc. It's much more than not being able to direct others!

GL in your search!

[Tweety]

Here in Tampa Bay, the BSN programs have the same number of clinical hours than the ADN, unlike the town from the poster above me, so making a blanket statement that ADNs get more clinical hours isn't true.

I do agree that might depend on where you live. In some areas of the country ADNs are in management positions and do the hiring. Here the managers all have to have BSNs, so they might look more favorably on a BSN.

[llg]

Originally Posted by ckc6977

Personally, I think it depends on the area in which you live. In my area, my DIPLOMA based program is well-known and would probably beat out a ADN or BSN new grad easily. Also, Diploma and ADN programs have more clinical hour-credits because they are more clinically based programs. Sometimes this can also appeal to certain hospitals.

If I had it to do all over again, I would choose to obtain my BSN. When I was searching for the right school for me, my Diploma program told me that you only needed your BSN if you wanted to become part of management (nurse manager, etc). Little did I know that couldn't be further from the truth! You can't teach, perform research, etc. It's much more than not being able to direct others!

GL in your search!

Except for the part about Diploma programs and ADN programs having more clinical hours, I agree. It really does depend on where you live and the quality of your local programs.

I also am happy to read someone saying that a BSN is needed for more than just management jobs. So many people seem to think that management is the only reason to get a BSN -- and that's only a small piece of the picture. A lot of jobs in the clinical and educational realms require a minimum of a BSN.

As for the clinical hours thing ... that just doesn't hold up nation wide. A lot of BSN programs have more clinical hours than many ADN programs. And don't forget ... it's not just the quanitity of hours that counts, it's the quality. A lot of the ADN programs where I live have clinicals in their first semester that are practically useless. They count as "hours in the hospital," but the students do little more than observe. The local BSN program has skills lab in their sophomore year, so the clinical rotations in the junior year are much more advanced than those of the ADN program. In their senior year, the BSN students get a 120 hour practicum during which they function almost like a full RN ... but the ADN students are still back learning the skills that the BSN students learned a semester earlier.

The situation in my area with the local programs may be very different from the situation in your area. That's my point. You can't make many broad generalizations. You have to look at each local community and each school.

In my area, one of the local BSN programs is highly respected and we LOVE to hire their graduates. The other BSN program is exceptionally weak and we are hesitant to hire their graduates.

[ckc6977]

Just to clarify: my generalizations about diploma, ADN, and BSN programs were all based on my experience here (in the RTP area of NC). After re-reading my post, I only prefaced "in my area" once and I can see how my post can be misleading to other readers.