[edhcinc]

Am on a committee who is providing feedback to CMS re: the RAI RAPS for MDS 3.0.

Would like to obtain your feedback from as many persons as possible who USE (or choose NOT to use) the RAI RAPs.

If interested in participating, please send private message, and I will send you the survey privately to your personal e-mail.
Thanks.

[cadburypam]

I would be interested in participating.

I think changes need to be made to the current RAPs, adding some and possibly deleting or combining others.

Pam

[poohmdsnurse]

OHHHHHH please my partner and I would definately love to participate in a evaluation of RAPS. That is truely one part of the MDS I absolutely HATE!!! It takes up so much time to complete and no one reads them unless they are the chosen one by the ODH surveyors.

[cadburypam]

Wow, I guess I'm lucky, or mean, I make my nurse's read the RAPs. I also make them read the care plans and review them with the aides. That way they know the resident, know what I do and how I pull all the information together from everywhere to form the RAPs, it gives them a broad picture of the resident more so than just throwing pills at them.

[Rexie68]

Originally Posted by cadburypam

Wow, I guess I'm lucky, or mean, I make my nurse's read the RAPs. I also make them read the care plans and review them with the aides. That way they know the resident, know what I do and how I pull all the information together from everywhere to form the RAPs, it gives them a broad picture of the resident more so than just throwing pills at them.

I'd say you're lucky....our floor nurses don't have time to read the care plans and have no clue what a RAP is. Hopefully the RAPS will become more pertinent...include pain and such. But really, I hope most of us know what to care plan anyway.....are RAPs necessary?

[poohmdsnurse]

THANK-YOU !!! There is no way I would have time or them to have time
to listen to me or reading themselves what is involved in completing a RAP or a careplan. Heck I can't get them to listen to me as it is.... they think in their mind I have this peachy office job M-F and sit behind a computer -- if they only knew what was all involved. I truely do not feel RAPS are necessary-

[cadburypam]

I agree RAPs are cumbersome and a pain in the you know where, but to me it rounds out the MDS process. I am fortunate that I am in a very small facility and have had the opportunity to "train" my nurses. We are a brand new facility (took our first resident in Dec) and we have all new staff so they have to adhere to my compulsiveness, so they make time (10-15 minutesa week) to read the RAPs on their assigned resident's (they are responsible for monthly summaries on resident's so they have to write , why not read?. When I print out the care plans I review them with the nurse and instruct her to review them with the aide. I follow up with the aide with questions about the care plan.
I wish every facility would hold nurse's responsible for the care they provide. It is not our responsibility as MDS coordinators to do all this work for nothing, nurses have to have some responsibility in this process too.

[MrsK1223]

I am a new MDS coordinator and I hate raps and have heard from the best and she hates them as well. Our new DON used to do MDS and she hates them as well. It's too time consuming and I really don't see the point when you're doing the care planning anyway.

[Rexie68]

I just don't think we need the RAPs. I know my residents....I know what needs care planned. All the RAPs do is add unneccessary things. I know my resident has cognitive impairment...I know to care plan that. My nurses also know this and act accordingly. It doesn't take a RAP to tell me this, and I don't have any reason to spend precious time (mine and theirs) educating them. There are SO many other things that both of us need to do, or be educated about. I want them out there interacting with residents and staff and making their notes accurate. Giving them more "busy work" isn't going to help. Perhaps I'm jaded because I have 139 residents to do MDS' and care plans for (plus ICC and PPS meetings) and just don't see the point in senseless paperwork (not that we don't already have enough of that)!

[CapeCodMermaid]

Call me weird, but I LOVE RAPS. When I was the PPS MDS coordinator, it was always my favorite part of the process....of course I was the oddball kid who liked essay questions better than multiple choice!