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Old Sep 22, 2007, 10:11 PM
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Two Questions

"Two questions" is not my name; I have two questions.

1. How do NAI feel about shamans/medicine people from other cultures? Or in my case, I study Inka shamanism but have Cherokee blood. Great grandpappy was NAI.

2. Has much of the healing tradition been lost in NAI?

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Old Sep 23, 2007, 09:14 PM
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In my hunble opinion a great deal has been lost. Also in my opinion any addition to current medicine is a plus. From what I have seen it can use all the help it can get!
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Old Sep 27, 2007, 08:50 AM
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Re: Two Questions

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"Two questions" is not my name; I have two questions.

1. How do NAI feel about shamans/medicine people from other cultures? Or in my case, I study Inka shamanism but have Cherokee blood. Great grandpappy was NAI.

I am sure there is a mutual respect extended outward to these others (wise men/women)....even outside one's own cultural heritage. The Indian only have issue for the most part with religious folk who have either tried to convert them in the past by force or by manipulation.


2. Has much of the healing tradition been lost in NAI?

I am sure like most things that there is the risk of many things vanishing ...native medicine, native approaches, native language, native customs. This is of concern....because once lost....those ways are gone. This is why our elders (just like our children) are sacred to us.
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Old Oct 04, 2007, 09:13 AM
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Gone are the days where local homesteaders ran screaming from the great white doctor and his bag or leeches to the local Native medicine man?

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Old Oct 04, 2007, 09:02 PM
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Leslymill, I am confused about your post. Could you please clarify it for me. It sounds to me as if you are putting down Shamans. I am sure I misunderstood. Surely that was not the intent of your post?
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Old Oct 05, 2007, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredBraveHeart View Post
Leslymill, I am confused about your post. Could you please clarify it for me. It sounds to me as if you are putting down Shamans. I am sure I misunderstood. Surely that was not the intent of your post?
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Surely not. Not with all the physicians, therapists and nurses that are studying shamanism with me


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Old Oct 06, 2007, 12:04 AM
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Re: Two Questions

Originally Posted by zenman View Post
"Two questions" is not my name; I have two questions.

1. How do NAI feel about shamans/medicine people from other cultures? Or in my case, I study Inka shamanism but have Cherokee blood. Great grandpappy was NAI.

2. Has much of the healing tradition been lost in NAI?


Lots lost, to alcohol. Enough remains that 'incurable' diseases can be healed if the person wholeheartedly incorporates traditional ritual and belief into themselves to become a part of it during ceremony and ongoing every day in a life long prayer this way. Just have to know where to look to find the truth.

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Old Oct 06, 2007, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredBraveHeart View Post
Leslymill, I am confused about your post. Could you please clarify it for me. It sounds to me as if you are putting down Shamans. I am sure I misunderstood. Surely that was not the intent of your post?
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No it wasn't. I didn't make myself too clear. .. lol Call me a mystic Christian when it comes to Native Americans.
Basically I wanted to point out that Thunderwolf's statement was a sad thing to hear, because when the world first learned of Native American medicine, it was more advanced in it's ability to save lives here in this country than the medicine brought from the old world (archaic and deadly treatments). Many creole and wilderness folk preferred to go to natives when they got sick.

2. Has much of the healing tradition been lost in NAI?

I am sure like most things that there is the risk of many things vanishing ...native medicine, native approaches, native language, native customs. This is of concern....because once lost....those ways are gone. This is why our elders (just like our children) are sacred to us
.

Maybe I just was sarcastic somewhat because Native American's should keep the Native approach to medicine sacred. They should NEVER be gone.
To make it clear from how I see it Europeans would have killed all Africans and Native Americans if God had not intervened. I truly think when congress rejected the supreme court ruling on behalf of the Cherokee and sent them on the "Trail of Tears", with the $30.00 and a blanket, they had every hope that they would not survive and their Indian problem was solved. Many died, but many learned that the land was truly theirs and would with God's help always be theirs. The land saved them. In Africa there is an immunity to illnesses that native Africans have that they need to preserve. European threaten that bond. I would just want those ways preserved till the Lord's return.
The worse tragedy to occur when Europeans arrived in the Americas was the introduction of horrible diseases and the deaths of many tribes from them. Bush men of Africa and Shaman in America traditionally turn to dreams and visions. As a Christian, by belief is that the interpretation of some of these dreams and visions are not yet fulfilled. I am not thinking we should seek them out, like Jews seek signs. They should remain with us though and they should not be forgotten.
We are a Nation in a Nation.


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Old Oct 06, 2007, 11:38 AM
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Hi, I believe reclaimming any tradition et celebrating our children et elders is worth while. My children have attended an Ojibwa Head Start, they also are learning culture et arts in the local school here, we had to open enrollment et drive every day, it is worth it. When I care for patients from the area @ work, they recognize me. I seem to have an easier time than some of my peers...

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Old Oct 07, 2007, 09:42 PM
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Okay now I have another question Leslymill. LOL What is a mystic Christian? I am so glad that I misunderstood you! No offense intended, just wondering what a mystic Christian is. I am NAI and a Christian, so I was interested in what that was.
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TBH

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