[BumblebeeRN]

Originally Posted by 4x4country

I am currently a nursing student, however, have been raised in nursing. As a student, I have observed other students beening fearful to ask staff nurses questions d/t being preceed as stupid. I think that it is very unfortunate and sad that ones that are so eager to teach, can treat others this way. Sure, we might be in your way or ask to many questions, but this is our time to learn.

Personally, I learned to spike a bag first semester of lab, however, if I did not review the steps for a specific prodcedure, I would be nervous too. I have never, not once, spiked a bag on clinicals, so my only experience has been one day in lab. Sure I have mastered other skills, caths, gtube feedings, ng placements, etc. I have even been a CNA for many years however if you dont use it, you lose it.

My two is, be nice, if you like to teach, then try instead of judging the student.

if the student tells me 'oh I was gonna do that' that is telling me that he knows how to do the skill in the first place.

if the student tells me, "oh I wanted to do it, will you just show me how because I have not used this kind of bag before" that is telling me that he knows how to, but has not seen the type of bag or equipment.

see the difference?

I love teaching, and I love learning.
My first day of orientation, I told my preceptor that "I don't know how to do anything"........ so she showed me how to do everything. how to use the IV pumps that I never used in clinicals, how to prime the IV line, since I didn't use that in clinicals, how to mix my morphine with my NS in clinicals.... I never told her "OH I WAS GONNA DO THAT"

when you tell people that, that is assuming that you already know it. that was my point.

[nurseby07]

I get your point..I will also freely admit that I tend to be a bit critical, in my mind only, of the students on the floor from the university which turned me away. I know it isn't right, I just am envious that they got in there and I didn't.
This school has one term of "med surg rotation". I mean one term only. My adn school was two years of med surg. Some students were picked to have a peds, ob or pysch roation for one term, however. I'll never forget that I gave Narcan on my very first day of clinical! We had a lot of great experience and I am grateful I went to that community college. Well let's be honest, I'm grateful I got in anywhere!

[nurseby07]

And one more thing...
While working as a CNA at the hospital I had a new grad from the BSN program follow me (his idea) for the day. He confided in me that he had never emptied a foley! Talk about "Shouldn't you know this by now?" He and I talked at length about the differences in our programs. I didn't judge him or talk behind his back to our coworkers, I was just amazed. He said, "Nope, but I've written a paper on it." There are different ways of learning I guess.

[BumblebeeRN]

oh I am happy I ended up in my ADN program!
I admit that I was scared to do things infront of my instructors, but I did it regardless. And I am happy there!
I actually got into a BSN program, but the first semester is theory, writing and advanced A&P<--which is the class that I failed! but it ended up being the best thing that happened to me. I went to a community college, it was hard but I think that it is harder doing all I did, plus having to do research papers along with it!
+ I have no loans (just the $2K left over from the BSN program I was in one semester), and now I am working on my BSN and the hospital is paying for it!!!

As a student I was scared to do things, and I understand what is like to be a student and scared.
but if you are supposed to know something and you don't, then admit it, learn and next time you will do it without any help!

[BumblebeeRN]

Originally Posted by nurseby07

And one more thing...
While working as a CNA at the hospital I had a new grad from the BSN program follow me (his idea) for the day. He confided in me that he had never emptied a foley! Talk about "Shouldn't you know this by now?" He and I talked at length about the differences in our programs. I didn't judge him or talk behind his back to our coworkers, I was just amazed. He said, "Nope, but I've written a paper on it." There are different ways of learning I guess.

LOL, OMG that is too funny.
But even ASN students don't know some simple things, like the trach's moisturizer of air tube- I was working as a CNA and I asked the 2 ASN students if they new what it was, and they didn't!

My program was an hour away, I was rejected 5x from that ASN school (the one with the 2 students above), but when they would talk about it, and I would compare it with mine... I think mine was a lot more tougher on the students. can you imagine? NO CALCULATORS on a math test?! it's 2005-2007, the 21st century and NO Calculators?!
I know I can do my math, it's not rocket science math or calculus or anything like that.... but we are the only school in s.FL that doesnt' let you use calculators.
Now, at work, I have to use pen and paper to check my med, if I have to do a calculation..... in the NCLEX I had 3 math, and I think that I did the 3rd one right because it stopped after that.

Anyways, I am happy I went thru my ADN program, and I wanted an ADN program anyways, because I hate doing research and writing papers! but I know I have to get my BSN, but at least I will be able to focus just on the BSN part, and not do clinicals anymore since I am an RN already........

anyone gone thru the RN-BSN program? is it what I mentioned above?

[BumblebeeRN]

we learned about trachs the first semester! they had the trachs already on the manequins at school. and God bless her heart, the lab instructor wanted to teach us everything the first semester. I wasn't even in OB semester yet, and she taugh us OB things, and ortho things.......... so I think that we learne a lot because of her.

[nurseby07]

[quote=IampattyRN;2749173]LOL, OMG that is too funny.
But even ASN students don't know some simple things, like the trach's moisturizer of air tube- I was working as a CNA and I asked the 2 ASN students if they new what it was, and they didn't!

My program was an hour away, I was rejected 5x from that ASN school (the one with the 2 students above), but when they would talk about it, and I would compare it with mine... I think mine was a lot more tougher on the students. can you imagine? NO CALCULATORS on a math test?! it's 2005-2007, the 21st century and NO Calculators?!
I know I can do my math, it's not rocket science math or calculus or anything like that.... but we are the only school in s.FL that doesnt' let you use calculators.
Now, at work, I have to use pen and paper to check my med, if I have to do a calculation..... in the NCLEX I had 3 math, and I think that I did the 3rd one right because it stopped after that.

Anyways, I am happy I went thru my ADN program, and I wanted an ADN program anyways, because I hate doing research and writing papers! but I know I have to get my BSN, but at least I will be able to focus just on the BSN part, and not do clinicals anymore since I am an RN already........

anyone gone thru the RN-BSN program? is it what I mentioned above?[/QUOTE

Now I have to admit that I didn't know that until I was working on the floor...

[nursemike]

Originally Posted by nurseby07

We have a running joke on our unit between the adn/bsn nurses. If a bsn rn doesn't know something we (adns) say something along the lines of "Didn't you write a paper on that in apa format?" The other night two bsn's came up to two of us adn's and asked how to get a ng unplugged. We both said, "Did you try Coke?" What? Where did you learn that? "Community college, go write a paper on it" If I am stumped on something they poke right back, "We learned that at University" All said in a snooty, funny, 3 o'clock in the morning manner. It is never mean, it is just funny. I want my BSN too, someday. Like previous posts, it doesn't matter, there are good and bad nurses from both programs.

Bravo!

What's the point of being a nurse, anyway, if you can't laugh about it?

[CrazyPremed]

Originally Posted by methylene

I'm currently a second-semester ADN student and we just had our lab over IVs a couple of weeks ago. I still have yet to spike an IV or change/prime tubing in clinicals. Heck, others in my clinical group have yet to even give a shot.

Lucky for me, I have extensive experience with these skills from working in the ER/ICU for years, but I can understand how the scenario can occur.

How did you get the skills in an ER/ICU if you are in the second semester of an ADN program. Did you work as a tech?

CrazyPremed

[CrazyPremed]

The bottom line is, there is no consistency in these programs. That's why we struggle as new grads.


CrazyPremed