[aspenice]

I am looking for entry level doctorate nursing programs for people who have a BS degree in a non nursing field. Where can I find this info?

Thanks.

[Nemhain]

Originally Posted by aspenice

I am looking for entry level doctorate nursing programs for people who have a BS degree in a non nursing field. Where can I find this info?

Thanks.

I had no idea such a thing existed.

[suzanne4]

How about getting the MSN first with some experience. It is quite hard to get a doctorate in something when you have no experience in the area.

Sorry, if it sounds rude, but you will definitely have a horrible time, if not impossible in getting a job afterwards. Even direct entry NPs do, so this would not be any different. And I pray that they never, ever exist.

[lovingpecola]

Hey Suzanne4! Do you have any links to statistics about NP's unemployment rates? I wasn't aware of this issue, and it would be great to know, especially since DEprograms are so expensive!

LovingPecola

[llg]

There is a degree called an ND degree .... or "Nursing Doctorate" degree. It is for people with a BS or BA in another field. I'm not sure how many schools offer them now ... but it used to be that the following 3 schools had them. I would check with those schools.

University of Colorado Health Science Center
Case Western Reserve University
Rush Presbeterian ( in Chicago)

This website also has some links to various schools.

llg

[suzanne4]

Originally Posted by lovingpecola

Hey Suzanne4! Do you have any links to statistics about NP's unemployment rates? I wasn't aware of this issue, and it would be great to know, especially since DEprograms are so expensive!

LovingPecola

I do not have any physical statistics in front of me, but just think about it for a moment. It would be like going to see a Doctor that has never done an internship. The NP actual title is "Advanced Nurse RN"----- how can you be an APRN without having worked as an RN before. Your skills build on this.

All I know, and after too many years oaf work experience to count, most that I see that were direct entry are back at the bedside doing bedside nursing. It also depends on where you are located, some areas there are not any jobs that pay more or much more than a bedside RN. Make sure that you do your homework on your area. And know the job market before you get started.

And from the other side of the coin, you have two job openings for NPs. You have five that apply. Four each have over five years of work as an RN before they went to NP school, and one has none, who are you going to select? Nursing skills develop over time, they are not learned overnight.
Assessment skills get better with time, your intuition and sixth sense develops better over time, and it takes time.

[lovingpecola]

Oh ok, I've heard what you're saying from others too, but no one ever has any statistics saying the NP's are out of work...When I go to the NHSC website, there are dozens and dozens of jobs listed there and they seem to always be listed as if no one ever wants to work in these areas (ie: inner city clinics in Detroit, Chicago, DC, etc). I will be a bedside nurse starting in the second year of my program so that I can get some experience, and it is also my understanding that midwives do integration for the last semester of some programs to get experience. I agree that it is a misnomer to have a title of *Advanced* when you haven't had significant RN experience.

It would be so helpful to have a statistical database of some sort that keeps track of how/what DE graduates are doing so people can make informed decisions because on the one hand yo have folks saying "you're not going to find a job or you're going to be a bedside nurse" and on the other you have folks saying "we have 100% job placement within 6 months" so without the numbers it's hard to know what to believe!

The only confidence I have lie in the fact that I know I want to work with populations that very few people have wanted to work with in the past. And honestly, I don't see people running to work in my neighborhood or ones like it around the country, if they were, there would be no need for programs such as NHSC whose sole purpose is to recruit/entice people to work in these neighborhoods that no one else thinks about...

I think it will help if DE graduates don't think they somehow know everything coming out of the gates (just the same as Assoc/BSN RN's shouldn't) Be humble, be honest, and work hard...every job requires OJT!

In the mean timhink I'll make a new post asking recent DE graduates to post what they're doing!

[beckinben]

Originally Posted by llg

There is a degree called an ND degree .... or "Nursing Doctorate" degree. It is for people with a BS or BA in another field. I'm not sure how many schools offer them now ... but it used to be that the following 3 schools had them. I would check with those schools.

University of Colorado Health Science Center
Case Western Reserve University
Rush Presbeterian ( in Chicago)

This website also has some links to various schools.

llg

UCHSC no longer offers the ND. They have transitioned into a DNP program, which is more like the direct-entry programs offered by Yale, Columbia, etc. in that you enter with a non-nursing undergraduate degree, do an accelerated nursing program that allows you to sit for the NCLEX, and leave with specialty training in an area like midwifery, FNP, ANP, etc. The difference is the end degree is a doctorate in nursing practice (DNP) rather than a MSN.

Becki

[aspenice]

I actually want to do research only. I don't want to work with the public. I thought of the MSN but I really don't know much about the difference of degrees and so forth. If I got a MSN, I am sure that I would have to work with the public. Don't get me wrong, I like people but I enjoy research. What type of MSN should I look into?

Thanks.

[aspenice]

I also like Case Management too. What does CM look like for jobs/opportunities?