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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:04 PM
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Re: Why are male nurses looked down on?

Playing devil's advocate, I have wondered if the same attention would be given if a male asked for an all male room.

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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:16 PM
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Re: Why are male nurses looked down on?

That's what I thought.

So I guess these female patients don't mind a male surgeon who, by virtue of his job, has no choice but to "see everything" because he's somehow above being sexually inappropriate with them.

But male nurses and techs might make her uncomfortable because they apparantly are not above being sexually inappropriate with patients or may get some thrill out of seeing her exposed body.

I understand the modesty and comfort level issues. Surgery is stressful enough without making someone even more uncomfortable or self-conscious/embarrassed.

It's the double standard between a doc and a nurse that I don't understand.

I guess I just don't get the mentality of a woman being ok with having a male doc (think Ob/Gyn) yet refuse a male nurse to cath them or allow them in the OR during "female" procedures.

What difference does it make?
They still roll out to PACU when surgery is over and guess who receives them and is looking under the covers at dressings and drains and placing peri-pads?

Yep, me....the male RN.
It's part of my job.

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Old Dec 26, 2006, 01:21 PM
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Re: Why are male nurses looked down on?

Originally Posted by ewattsjt View Post
Playing devil's advocate, I have wondered if the same attention would be given if a male asked for an all male room.
Heck no.
They'd be laughed at right out of the room upon requesting such a thing.

Men aren't supposed to feel things like modesty and most certainly aren't supposed to feel intimidated or threatened by women seeing them exposed.

In fact, they shouldn't complain and should instead be enjoying the attention according to our current cultural standards.

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Old Dec 26, 2006, 02:19 PM
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Re: Why are male nurses looked down on?

Originally Posted by RN34TX View Post
Men aren't supposed to feel things like modesty and most certainly aren't supposed to feel intimidated or threatened by women seeing them exposed.

Life would be so much easier if that were true. The times where I requested someone of the same sex do the intimate stuff or at least have a male chaperone present I was laughed at, ridiculed, or scoffed at.

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Old Dec 26, 2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 58flyer View Post
Life would be so much easier if that were true. The times where I requested someone of the same sex do the intimate stuff or at least have a male chaperone present I was laughed at, ridiculed, or scoffed at.
and that unprofessional behavior should have been immediately reported.
how dare any staff laugh at a patient...

leslie

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Old Dec 26, 2006, 06:12 PM
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Re: Why are male nurses looked down on?

I realize this is somewhat off topic but,

Originally Posted by RN34TX View Post
What difference does it make?
They still roll out to PACU when surgery is over and guess who receives them and is looking under the covers at dressings and drains and placing peri-pads?

Yep, me....the male RN.
It's part of my job.
This was an interesting reply because it is me; who always remembers to place the pad. Most of the women forget it. So most of my patients wouldn't even get one if it weren't for me. Well until they were checked in PACU.

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Old Dec 26, 2006, 07:06 PM
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Re: Why are male nurses looked down on?

Originally Posted by RN34TX View Post
That's what I thought.

So I guess these female patients don't mind a male surgeon who, by virtue of his job, has no choice but to "see everything" because he's somehow above being sexually inappropriate with them.

But male nurses and techs might make her uncomfortable because they apparantly are not above being sexually inappropriate with patients or may get some thrill out of seeing her exposed body.

I understand the modesty and comfort level issues. Surgery is stressful enough without making someone even more uncomfortable or self-conscious/embarrassed.

It's the double standard between a doc and a nurse that I don't understand.

I guess I just don't get the mentality of a woman being ok with having a male doc (think Ob/Gyn) yet refuse a male nurse to cath them or allow them in the OR during "female" procedures.

What difference does it make?
They still roll out to PACU when surgery is over and guess who receives them and is looking under the covers at dressings and drains and placing peri-pads?

Yep, me....the male RN.
It's part of my job.
Not all women are willing to have male doctors. I think, at least in some cases, it's male vs female, not nurse vs doctor. On the other hand, I don't know what age group you work with, but we still have some people out there who see the doctor as the Male Authority Figure, a kindly father type. I know lots of male nurses who are called doctor until they straighten out the patient, who then can't understand why they'd be a nurse instead of a doctor.
Personally, I like working with male nurses. Never met one I didn't like.

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Old Dec 26, 2006, 07:29 PM
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Re: Why are male nurses looked down on?

Originally Posted by PPHawk View Post
Not all women are willing to have male doctors. I think, at least in some cases, it's male vs female, not nurse vs doctor. On the other hand, I don't know what age group you work with, but we still have some people out there who see the doctor as the Male Authority Figure, a kindly father type. I know lots of male nurses who are called doctor until they straighten out the patient, who then can't understand why they'd be a nurse instead of a doctor.
Personally, I like working with male nurses. Never met one I didn't like.
But that's my point. Not all women want male doctors and that's fine.
It makes sense to me if a female patient is uneasy with males period for her own reasons.

But to be perfectly ok with a male examining you or seeing you exposed as long as he is a doctor but not ok if it's a male nurse is the double standard I'm talking about.

If you don't want men taking care of you, fine.

But don't make exceptions for physicians because you are lulled under the false impression that just because they have more education, autonomy, authority, etc. that they somehow are above seeing female patients as sexual objects and/or being inappropriate.

And as far as people seeing them as father figures goes, well that just makes the whole thing even more absurd, bizarre, and twisted.

They are no more or less men than a male nurse is.
Over the years, I've heard plenty of MD's make inappropriate comments about female patients and colleagues alike.

Male MD's are not immune to this. They are still men with the same hormones and sexuality as a male nurse.

Professionalism is an individual thing, not a gender thing.

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Old Dec 26, 2006, 07:53 PM
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Re: Why are male nurses looked down on?

i don't understand the double standard either.
as a woman who refuses to be cared for by male treaters, at least i am consistent in having all female md's.
i'm not convinced that female pts look as male md's as a father figure, but there may be some validity in looking upon them as authority figures.
and if that is the case, there will be people who are intimidated and so, will not assert themselves.
so while they 'allow' to be examined by a male md, their fear in speaking up only serves to deem them mute and still have the problems w/the male treater but just don't speak up.
i'm not thoroughly convinced then, that it is a double standard.
when people say "doctor knows best", that's when some tend to second-guess themselves and become a relative doormat in this game we call healthcare.
i see it frequently.

leslie

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Old Dec 27, 2006, 02:31 AM
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Re: Why are male nurses looked down on?

Originally Posted by earle58 View Post
and that unprofessional behavior should have been immediately reported.
how dare any staff laugh at a patient...

leslie
Given my zero tolerance for attitudes, it generally was.

Part of the problem (I speculate) is that females are not taught that there are males who might make such a request, and they are caught off guard and don't know how to respond.

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