[Roy Fokker]

Gentlemen (and ladies!),

Can we please move on from that post by Salesman217?

Many of us have pointed out the blatant and glarring errors in his post.

Thanks,
Roy
allnurses.com moderator

[JohnBearPA]

Originally Posted by Roy Fokker

Gentlemen (and ladies!),

Can we please move on from that post by Salesman217?

Many of us have pointed out the blatant and glarring errors in his post.

Thanks,
Roy
allnurses.com moderator

Sorry, had alot of hours at work the last few days, just saw it and really, really felt the need to reply. lol

[Corvette Guy]

Originally Posted by JohnBearPA

Sorry, had alot of hours at work the last few days, just saw it and really, really felt the need to reply. lol

Maybe if it were to disappear?

[ricosdy]

Yes, I had encountered some male nurses on my travel assignment that flatly says that they dont want to take care of female patient on particularly on putting catheters. I do understand their situation, but since we took on this profession I do believe that regardless of sex we need to care for them.

On the other hand,we also need to feel as to what our patients want I had experiences that certain female patients prefer female nurse to take care of their female needs and so what I do when I take on a female patient I immediately tell them that I am their nurse but if they feel uncomfortable for me attending their female needs/exams then they have the right to do so and I would get a female nurse but if they dont mind then I perform the tasks that is required.

[RNstudentBrian]

OK, I have admit that I have not read every post. However, I have followed many such posts on other forums. AAMN, etc. and have but one question.

Do the female nurses require a chaperone for certain procedures like men do, as has been insinuated by some of the posts?

If not, then neither should the men. A nurse is a nurse is a nurse. I did not become a "male nurse". I checked the license in my wallet just to be sure on this one. Funny, but it just says Registered Nurse. Nurses who happen to be of the male gender should/ do have all of the same rights and responsibilities as nurses who happen to be of the female gender.

Exluding a group due to their gender/race/creed/orientation etc. etc...is illegal in most cases.

In school the only issues that I had regarding gender were discrimination by nursing staff and mostly instructors. The patients had did not say anything to nursing or my instructors, they took it upon themselves to create an issue.

With the great shortage and the fact that nursing was for hundreds of years up until Florence, a male only profession, why can't we just all get along and do what we were trained to do?

Thank you

[kikr]

I don't have a problem conducting any procedures for any patient. I always ask the patient if they mind me working with them or if they would be more comfortable with a female nurse.

[medtwo]

Having been in nursing for more than 40 years I have seen a great many changes. In the early 60's men did not get assigned to female patients. Ever. In the 70's, with ever increasing nursing shortages and, I might add, a change from male and female wards to comingled units, gradually began having female patients assigned to them. In the 80's, it was common to see no gender discrimination in assignments. However, because of the possibility of being accused of fondling, or worse, men usually did not do caths, help with gyn exams, etc. In today's litigious society I would never do a cath, or be present for an exam without female witness. If the Doc is a female, no problem. If there is another women present, caths are fine. I have done many, many of both caths and gyn exams but never alone. Too dangerous. If You are too nieve to think that all things are equal, you have a lot to learn.

[Michael2546]

Originally Posted by RNstudentBrian

OK, I have admit that I have not read every post. However, I have followed many such posts on other forums. AAMN, etc. and have but one question.

Do the female nurses require a chaperone for certain procedures like men do, as has been insinuated by some of the posts?

If not, then neither should the men. A nurse is a nurse is a nurse. I did not become a "male nurse". I checked the license in my wallet just to be sure on this one. Funny, but it just says Registered Nurse. Nurses who happen to be of the male gender should/ do have all of the same rights and responsibilities as nurses who happen to be of the female gender.

Exluding a group due to their gender/race/creed/orientation etc. etc...is illegal in most cases.

In school the only issues that I had regarding gender were discrimination by nursing staff and mostly instructors. The patients had did not say anything to nursing or my instructors, they took it upon themselves to create an issue.

With the great shortage and the fact that nursing was for hundreds of years up until Florence, a male only profession, why can't we just all get along and do what we were trained to do?

Thank you

I absolutely agree with everything you have said. Doctors are not questioned about whether they perform task on women and neither should I. Back in the early 90's I worked in an emergency room. All the other nurses had gone to supper and only myself and an old doc were present in the ER. He said we had a patient that needed a vaginal exam but her would have to wait a half hour until a female nurse returned from supper. The patient was bleeding. I told him that we are all nurses not male or female and that professionally we could perform the exam. Talking to the patient revealed she did not have a problem with us performing the exam she just wanted results. Another time one of my female patients needed a cath. I was told by one of the older nurses that I could not do the procedure. I told her to check her license and I would check mine to see if it said male or female. I also told her to check the scope of practice to see if it differentiated gender specific task. I got the cath and performed the procedure. Nurses have to step up and take charge. We are no different than the physicians. We all have jobs to do. Sure there are some nurses who are not as professional and probably should not be nurses as there are MDs that are not as professional and should not be physicians. Well I guess that is enough on this subject.

[figment]

Our male nurses do everything, the only exception is only when the patient requests a nurse of a different gender to perform a procedure.

Originally Posted by ern91

I'm interested in knowing if anyone has the issue of male nurses refusing to perform certain nursing functions simply because they are male. Having worked in a large teaching hospital and smaller community hospitals, there seems to be a huge difference. In the teaching hospital, male nurses did everything a patient needed, regardless of gender. In the smaller community hospitals, the male nurses sought out female nurses to take care of all manner of female patient's hygiene, all gyn exams ,and anything else a female patient needed. Have we become such a litigous society that we base our practice on gender? Do you find yourself taking care of your male colleagues patients as well as your own simply because they are afraid to touch their female patients?

[old_guy]

Interesting thread. At 47, and entering pre-nursing in Jan 07, I tend to the cautious (some would say paranoid) side. I'm not about to put myself in a position where impropriety could be accused. If my daughter is going to bring a friend home, I insist that my wife be home. In my present job, I never go into a room with a female coworker without leaving the door open. As a nurse, I intend to never work with a female patient without a door being open, or if involved in a sensitive procedure, a female chaperone being present. It may be a double-standard, but with men "Guilty Until Proven Innocent, and Then STILL Guilty" seems to pervade our society.