[MaleNursesRock]

..(2) more classmates from my DEC 07 class just passed thier boards. (leaving only 5 more left) I, myself passed last month on my 3rd time. Many of my 65 gradauting classmates had to re-test to pass.


I just wanted to say to those that have yet to take it or have to take it again.

That no matter what ATI, or your school, or the BRN website says..

If you dont GIVE up on this dumb test, EVERYONE passes, !! and in yers to come no one really remembers that you took it X amount of times,

failing this test does NOT define you as a person OR a nurse, it does not prove "competence" in any way..just becasue i know for a test which pt i should see "first" or that i selected 'all that apply' to a M.I. pt

no way indicates, i will know what to ACTUALLY DO ! when the time comes up for me to apply my "book" knowledge.

so have faith and have hope.

JON

[KCR411]

Thank you for your reassuring words-I'm a second timer and even though when I test seems like a long time away, it certainly isn't compared to the volume of content and strategies that have to be applied.

[SunnyBunny75]

Sorry I have to disagree somewhat, I think this test clearly defines the proper way to carry out proper care, it's just sad that in the "real world" nobody has time to do it the "proper" way considering the high pt ratio to staff. This test clearly defines 100% safe care...it's just tough to meet the expectations of what we should do in the "real world".

[racing-mom4]

Originally Posted by MaleNursesRock

..(2) more classmates from my DEC 07 class just passed thier boards. (leaving only 5 more left) I, myself passed last month on my 3rd time. Many of my 65 gradauting classmates had to re-test to pass.

I am shocked at your schools pass rate. how many is "many" that had to re-test, and am I missing something in the math here, you Graduated in Dec 07, so 6 months ago and you have taken boards 3x with in 7months?--in my state you have to wait 90 days to retest.

We had a graduating class of 65 with 63 passing. Our neighbor/rival college has had a 100% pass rate for the last 3 years, 4 years ago they had 2 fail.

My school revamped their entire nursing program about 10 years ago because they had an 70% pass rate 2 years in a row.

I dont want to take anything away from your post, your right if you continue to take the test at 250.00+ a pop you most likely will eventually pass. But each time you attempt your percent of passing gets lower.

I am glad you passed, probably not as glad as you are !!! lol lol...but are you some what angry with your school for not properly preparing you? That was a lot of stress and alot of money and time you spent of your own preparing for something you paid them to prepare you for in the 1st place.

[suzanne4]

As well as the fact that not all states permit one to test for unlimited number of times without completing some additional work to even get permission to sit again for the exam.

The majority actually have a three times only limit without having remedial training done first.

And there are those that never will retest or actually get thru the exam, so there is no way to state that all that write the test are going to pass sooner or later.

That just makes no sense. Many do not retest for whatever reason.

[MaleNursesRock]

Sorry to have to disagree with your disagree.

you see. As we all know and are told. The NCLEX is not the real world. everyone will tell you this.

Given that statement alone.

Why then, do "they" hold us accountable to a test for a not real world m in which we will never work in ?

In school, as in life we are taught that PT SAFETY IS PRIORITY.

well, NCLEX wants MASLOW. physiological-air water food and SEX are more important than safety (which is second). -

i am an ex police officer and what we we taught in the police academy we actually used in the real world.

..I failed this test twice passing on my 3rd attempt..the NCELX is supposed to prove "competence" which i believe, it does not.

when i passed my third time, did i all of a sudden become more competent as a nurse ? no. i simply learned HOW to beat a test, test "strategies" NOT nursing content passed me. plain and simple.

If this test was about intelligence, then STEPHEN HAWKINGS ,probably the smartest guy on the planet, could pick up a saunders comprehensive book and pass the RN-NCLEX. well, i bet my liscense he couldnt..he wouldnt have the clinical know how that we all did in school.

this test is NOT about critical thinking either, "true, critical thinking" is when you are faced with a problem on a unit, and you consult with other nurses to solve this problem..there could be many different approaches..NOT just "answer A" on a test.

Just because a person is "bool" smart and passes on the first try does NOT mean they are a good, competent nurse. period.

Ex. a new nurse on my floor, straight A student, BSN program, #1 in her class, passed NCLEX with 75 questions first time, saying it was easy

gave a pt 10 DIGOXIN PILLS !!!!! T E N !!!

--she claims that was the order she read. she didnt confirm/explore


I wouldnt give 10 vitramin C pills !!!, for gods sake.

--NCLEX and the BRN stated/indirectly that she is "competent" Obviously more so than i, 9since i failed NCLEX twice)

so she is "competent" right ?

I beleive the pt/family and the court will disagree.

The NCLEX , (in my opinion) does not do waht it is supposed to do, it is flawed, on so many level==

My solution is simple, make getting your RN practical, finish nursinf school--do one year on the job, and if successful , make your RN lisc permannt

Just like a cop

A cop, who has the power to take LIFE, cops who MUST have the highest critical thinking skills in any proffesion..(i was a cop for 5 years, and i beleive i have great critical thinking skills) but accordint to the NCLEX --i didnt

Once a cop finishes the academy, he/she goes to work for a year with an agency and after that year they get their P.O.S.T liscense, which in effect makes them a fully valid cop.

Thats practical--no "paper/computer" test is done--"actual
" work in the field, dictates 'compentency.

--thats my rant

JON

[SunnyBunny75]

Sorry John, but the content we study DOES reflect safe, competent care. Too bad you don't see it like you should. Too bad WE don't see it like we should, unfortunately, there isn't enough nurses, period. Personally, I see the nclex requirments for studying as reflecting very safe, and effective care.

[MaleNursesRock]

right, as my thread stated, if you dont give up on the test you WILL pass, i know many people that ..just went on with their lives for better or worse, heck..i almost walked away..

i was just trying to give hope to re-peat test takers/and people that havnt tested yet--that do not give up, they WILL pass.


RACING MOM4--

my class began with 80 students, i was the lowest GPA in the class and wasnt even "in" the class to begin with--i was denied, but 20 "alternates" dropped and allowed me to get in.

of the 80 we graduated 65.

of the 65, i know about 8-10 that failed the first time, some havnt tested yet.

our school usually carries around a 82% pass rate but it has fallen these last (2) classess--

I do not blame the school, if you look around in here (allnurses) you will find a MAJORITY of people (especially the ones that failed) stating that nursing school did not preapre them for the NCLEX

and i agree, i DONT blame school--the NCLEX 9as everyone will say) is a test unlike any other--

its more about strategy than nursing content.

JON

[MaleNursesRock]

BUTTERCUP--

if the NCLEX reflects what we ahve learned in school, clinical and in the field, why then.

-Do ALL the people in the course that teach NCLEX strategies say---"do not use what you have seen in the real world, when answering the questions"--are we all doing it wrong in the real world ?? why cant we use what we learned at work, and in clinical ?

-Why do they always say, "remeber this is the NCLEX" world --why cant it just be "THE NURSING WORLD" -it should be synonymus.

Nclex and the real world , as everyone knows are different.

why is that ?-

JON

[SunnyBunny75]

John actually, the school I attended taught the exact "nclex" way, no if's or buts. Seriously. I can't help but totally agree with what I read/studied regarding safe and effective nursing care.