[pickledpepperRN]

Originally Posted by TEXAS_onc_RN

I was not joking. You unionized folks are the ones who need to answer the question about $$$. You want more money to take care of fewer patients and if you dont get your way well then you just strike. Explain how that is to the benefit of the patient in the hospital at the time of your strike. You try and sound all caring about the pt. and that the pt. is at the foremost in your mind to justify your actions. Well having been there when you have striked and witnessing the behaviour of the nurses on the street you aren't going to convince this non-unionized RN that you are right. One of altruistic nurses threw a rock at a friend of mine as we were "crossing your picket line" causing her to receive stitches in her scalp just to care for the patients that you abandoned for your $$$.

quote=TEXAS_onc_RN I love that Ca. nurses are unionized. Each time one of your cities goes on strike, I am able to come out there and get paid a lot of money to work to cover your shifts. I am planning a 14 day Hawaiian cruise next year, hopefully somebody out there will strike and I'll be able to make enough to really enjoy all of the "cruise experiences".

??????? I thought this thread was about the first safe staffing law.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by spacenurse

??????? I thought this thread was about the first safe staffing law.

Apparently, it is now the let's trash California nurses thread...

[Sheri257]

Originally Posted by TEXAS_onc_RN

Why would you reject a proposal to allow nurses that don't want their union dues spent one way from being able to pull their $$ from that cause. I thought all of you democrats were pro-choice. Why did you take that choice away from the people in your group.

The proposal didn't necessarily allow individual union members to pull their money away from certain causes. Under that proposition ... if a majority of members voted to oppose Schwarzenegger, and you disagreed with the majority of your colleagues, you still had to pay the dues to fight Schwarzenegger, even if you disagreed with it.

But ... that's assuming you still paid dues to the union. The proposition, actually, wasn't really necessary. The existing system is ... as you put it ... pro-choice. You can have your dues designated to any charity of your choice, even conservative charities, and not contribute a dime to the union and their political activities.

My problem with the proposition was that it regulated the political activities of unions only. If they had expanded this requirement to corporations and all other special interest groups then, I probably would have voted for it. But I thought it was wrong to target only unions and not corporations.

Schwarzenegger just wanted to make it more difficult for the unions to fight him. I felt that selectively targeting only his opponents was wrong and, obviously, so did a lot of other Californians.

If he had pushed a real political reform that applied to all special interest groups, I think there would have been a different outcome.

[Sheri257]

Originally Posted by mercyteapot

Apparently, it is now the let's trash California nurses thread...

Let them trash California nurses. The fact is ... we have ratios, they don't. And 80 percent of the nurses in this state don't belong to a union and don't have to pay union dues to benefit from it, which is why lots of RN's want to work here.

In the end, California nurses have the last laugh.

[Sheri257]

Originally Posted by TEXAS_onc_RN

I was not joking. You unionized folks are the ones who need to answer the question about $$$. You want more money to take care of fewer patients and if you dont get your way well then you just strike. Explain how that is to the benefit of the patient in the hospital at the time of your strike. You try and sound all caring about the pt. and that the pt. is at the foremost in your mind to justify your actions. Well having been there when you have striked and witnessing the behaviour of the nurses on the street you aren't going to convince this non-unionized RN that you are right. One of altruistic nurses threw a rock at a friend of mine as we were "crossing your picket line" causing her to receive stitches in her scalp just to care for the patients that you abandoned for your $$$.

Do I like to make money? Sure. So do you. Afterall, you stated that you would like to come out to California and make a lot of money as a strike replacement worker to pay for your vacation.

I suspect that both California and Texas nurses, as well as nurses in general, like to make more money. Nothing new there. There's plenty of greed to go around whether you're union or anti-union.

Do union members sometimes do bad things? Sure. Does management sometimes do bad things. Of course. There's plenty of bad to go around on both sides there as well.

But ... at the end of the day ... ratios do enhance patient safety. Mortality risk increases with each patient you have and, consequently, decreases with lower patient loads. Even the most conservative nurses usually agree with this, unless they are in management ... or working in jobs where they don't have to juggle high patient loads.

I'm just curious as to why you feel the need to attack all of this. If things are so great in Texas ... why would you care what we do in California?

I can't help but wonder if you wished you still lived here, instead of moving a few years ago. If you owned a house back then, it would be worth a fortune by now. And you'd be making plenty of money with better working conditions, i.e. safer staffing ratios, without ever having to belong to a union.

Maybe this is a case of California dreamin' ... or, rather, California envy.

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[TEXAS_onc_RN]

I do not deny that the job I do deserves a good rate of pay and that I would not put up with the stress and responsibility I have without earning a good living. But I don't need a union which spends my money on political campaigns and liberal agendas against my wishes in order to obtain the rate of pay I enjoy. The amount of money I earn as compared to my cost of living is much higher than it would be if I worked and lived in Ca. For those in the bay area, that means that I have more disposable income here in texas than I would if I lived in Ca.
Envy. hahahahahahah Yeah I envy people that live near and work with others that are on a whole the rudest most selfish group of people I have ever known.
I have lived in; Texas, California, Illinois, Florida, Idaho, and Hawaii. California definately rates the lowest on that list of six. So no, envy isn't the operative word.

[Sheri257]

Originally Posted by TEXAS_onc_RN

But I don't need a union which spends my money on political campaigns and liberal agendas against my wishes in order to obtain the rate of pay I enjoy.

Neither do 80 percent of the nurses who work in California. You make it sound like unions have a stranglehold on California RN's but that's simply not the case. You don't have to belong to a union to work as an RN in California ... and the vast majority of RN's don't.

Originally Posted by TEXAS_onc_RN

The amount of money I earn as compared to my cost of living is much higher than it would be if I worked and lived in Ca. For those in the bay area, that means that I have more disposable income here in texas than I would if I lived in Ca.

I don't know why you keep bringing up the cost of living but ... not all of us live in the Bay Area, and not all of us paid $500,000 for a box either. I bought my house for cheap and it's tripled in value. For those of us who bought our homes before the housing boom, the higher cost of living has actually been a tremendous benefit. I like having a house with a ton of equity. And my cost of living isn't high because my mortgage payment is very low.

Originally Posted by TEXAS_onc_RN

Envy. hahahahahahah Yeah I envy people that live near and work with others that are on a whole the rudest most selfish group of people I have ever known.
I have lived in; Texas, California, Illinois, Florida, Idaho, and Hawaii. California definately rates the lowest on that list of six. So no, envy isn't the operative word.

This is absurd. You think Californians have cornered the market on rude and selfish? C'mon. I've lived in Texas and other states in the south and the east coast ... there's plenty of rude and selfish to go around in Texas and all states. This is ridiculous.

[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by TEXAS_onc_RN

I do not deny that the job I do deserves a good rate of pay and that I would not put up with the stress and responsibility I have without earning a good living. But I don't need a union which spends my money on political campaigns and liberal agendas against my wishes in order to obtain the rate of pay I enjoy. The amount of money I earn as compared to my cost of living is much higher than it would be if I worked and lived in Ca. For those in the bay area, that means that I have more disposable income here in texas than I would if I lived in Ca.
Envy. hahahahahahah Yeah I envy people that live near and work with others that are on a whole the rudest most selfish group of people I have ever known.
I have lived in; Texas, California, Illinois, Florida, Idaho, and Hawaii. California definately rates the lowest on that list of six. So no, envy isn't the operative word.

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You seem to have your own agenda, here; in which case, you really ought to start a new thread. Just as a reminder, this is a thread about nursing ratios. Not the cost of living, not unions and political spending (although lizz is right, you are woefully misinformed about our unions in general, and Prop 75 in particular) and not how rude Californians are (a rather odd accusation to be coming from someone who keeps slamming an entire state full of people!!!)

[SmilingBluEyes]

Making generalizations about a group of people (in this case, the People of California) is NO way to make a clear point in a debate. I would ask you refrain from personal attacks in debating hot issues like unionization (or not) and the California Ratio Law. Refer to Terms of Service, in case you need clarification.



Thank you for understanding.