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Old Aug 06, 2004, 10:46 PM
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Roperos: Doctors as nurses

Saturday, August 07, 2004
Roperos: Doctors as nurses
By Godofredo M. Roperos
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There seems to be a bit of irritation and resentment among nurses working in our hospitals here regarding the fact that a good number of our practicing doctors have moved into their professional territory.

The feelings are said to have been aroused by talks about doctors having enrolled in nursing courses leading to a degree, a situation that may lead to an unfair overcrowding of the profession, thus placing practicing nurses at a disadvantage against the physician-nurses.

It seems strange that doctors now use their profession as their preparatory course to a nursing career. For that is really what it amounts to, since I learned that nursing study for doctors has been shortened to one or two years.

This is the rub, according to Chong Hua Hospital’s male nurse Andy Magbanua, who told me that many of his colleagues are unhappy that while they spent four years to get their diploma, doctors get theirs in just one or two years, depending upon the school they are enrolled.

He did not say, however, why the doctors are “behaving” the way they do, viewing the situation merely as a phenomenon that offers their profession an unfair competition since the doctors will surely be offering more expertise than they.

One nurse from Cebu Doctors Hospital was, however, more blunt about the reason why doctors are trying to get second courses. She said they are doing that to make it easier for them to get foreign employment, especially in the United States.

She said it is very difficult now to get into the US as a medical practitioner. American doctors are wary about getting competition from foreign medical graduates, even if the latter still have to pass a series of board examinations in the US before they can practice.

“The American medical association,” she said, “has become very powerful lobby group, protecting their turf. Many of the Asian doctors who were able to get in before the association felt the competition, were able to develop very good practice competing with the Americans.”

She said that later Filipino doctors were no longer granted visas to practice in the US. Those who were able to get in, did so as tourists or as potential business investors, or as nurses. This is how the ploy of going in as nurses begun.

Another lady nurse working at Chong Hua said that there are many doctors now enrolled in local nursing schools, although she did not give even an estimate.

However, according to an informant who does not want to be identified, there are doctors who are enrolled in a Samar nursing school, but their classes are held in Cebu on certain days of the week.

The problem, according to the nurse, is some enrollees do not attend classes regularly at all. They appear confident that, as medical practitioners, they can be better nurses.

After paying the fees, they go off, assured their medical training is far more extensive and stringent than the nursing course, and hence they are better prepared.

And it is this thought that somehow rubs the true nursing practitioners on the wrong side, so that many of them are nurturing secret resentment over the prevailing circumstances surrounding the profession.

While hospitals are feeling the pinch due to the loss of skilled and trained nurses to recruiters from the US and Europe, the nurses themselves are suffering a measure of wariness regarding the intrusion of doctors into their profession.

Many of them, according to Andy Magbanua, are hoping the government would step in and establish some kind of public policy regarding this phenomenon.

The point is not to prevent doctors from becoming nurses, but that the nursing profession should not be made a stepping stone or jumping board, so to speak, for the promotion of a medical practitioner’s domestic or foreign “material” advancement.


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Old Aug 07, 2004, 12:12 AM
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This phenomenon of Philippine doctors entering the nursing profession is true. It is a reality now the we must come to accept accept.

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Old Aug 08, 2004, 01:32 AM
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Here is a topic which riles me every time I go to work!!!

In my hospital..in Toronto Canada, we have several people working as nurses who are physicians from other countries licensed and working as nurses in Canada. The unbelievable part is that they are totally inefficient and quite often outright incompetent.

One of them commented to me "how hard" it was to be a nurse. I asked why he didn't write the exams to obtain his MD in Canada and I was told "well it's really hard to pass, and I could never get a fellowship here in my field....etc etc etc."

I couldn't believe how he could find the work hard..he does none. When a catheter has to be placed in a patient (male or female) he will hide until his partner has no choice but to do it. One night when the ER physician ordered and enema he "took a break" immediately and did not return for 1 1/2 hours..simply to avoid having to do it. He openly admits to his co staff that "I don't do anything below the waist". Complete physical assessments? NOT! Funny enough..despite the complaints..management tolerates it because of the "shortage". Apparently charting on the wrong charts for medications given, and forgetting to gove tetanus injections prior to discharge etc etc etc seem to be unimportant..just a slong as a body is there to fill the shift.

Actually makes nurses wonder why the respect given to these "physician-nurses" surpasses that given to actual competent nurses. Makes for a very unhappy work place, of that there is no doubt. I thought I'd loose it the day these two nurses decided to approach the human resources department (in our UNIONIZED environment) to discuss the possibility of having their pay increased "due to their experience as physicians".... saddest part..the human resources department told them to provide documentation of their experience so it could be discussed!!!!!

Can't wait until the union hears!! LOL!

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Old Aug 08, 2004, 06:07 AM
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If the hospital puts up with that unprofessional behavior I think it's a facility problem, not a docs-as nurses problem. So long as my coworkers are caring and competent and good team players I don't mind what their background is.

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Old Aug 08, 2004, 07:07 AM
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here in philppines, in my school there are 10 dotors enrolle in nursing and they will graduate this month of october, they said they enrolle nursing because they want to go in USA, because they said if they can work in US there salary for one month will be 5,000 to 10,000$ a month than if they will work here in philippines as doctor but there salary for one month is just 20,000 pesos..is that true that they will pay to nurse 30-50$ per hour?
and next year 2005 i will go to USA in Oregon, i am thinking if i should take a local board exam first here in philippines before i will go to USA and i will just take Enclex exam when i get there in Oregon ...but what will happen if i will not take local board exam in here and i will take the enclex in USA?, you think they will let me take the enclex in US? pls tell me..

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Old Aug 09, 2004, 06:25 AM
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No we do not have to accept this as one poster said. If they choose to abuse nurses this way make them do everything we did to get a license. There may be LPN to RN programs which are fine with me but has anyone ever heard of MD to RN? Then How bout we come up with an RN to MD program?

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Old Aug 09, 2004, 06:55 AM
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never heard that doctors take nursing? well here in my school we have 10 graduating doctors for nursing. and they will take board exam in october, and they will go to US next year after taking local board exam. they want a big salary, because they said if they will work here as doctors its not enough to them, they want to go in US..

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Old Aug 09, 2004, 06:58 AM
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that they toke nursing just for 1 and 1/2 year and they will graduate this coming october

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Old Aug 09, 2004, 08:28 AM
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Doctors as nurses

Canoehead......

I hope I wasn't misunderstood....
I really don't mind what your background is either...as long as you function effectively in your role...what I was explaining was my experience with physicians as nurses.

I think you would agree that in many cases it is hard to take what many peopple percieve as a "step down" in role without having some difficulties adjusting. When you used to write orders for nurses to accomplish, it can become quite difficult to actually be the one carrying out someone elses orders... especially when those orders are not always pleasant. The physicians I have seen work as nurses simply kep telling their co-workers that this is beneath them. "When I was home in Columbia I..." etc.

One of these physicians has told me that he is seriously thinking of returning to columbia with his family, because he can't handle the hard work of nursing. The part of this that I can't understand is that he left columbia just a few years ago because of the unrest there and his fears for his family's safety.

Maybe this is just one situation where a couple of personalities have coloured my experienes...but this is what has been said and done in my ER.

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Old Aug 09, 2004, 09:45 AM
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CDR RN,

Here in the Philippines it is common now for doctors to go into nursing so that they can migrate to the US.

I think what you are experiencing now is the "hierachial mentality" of these doctor turned nurses. Before they were used to order nurses and now they are in the situation following doctors' orders wherein they feel bad and thus avoiding the responsibilites assign to them.

I also believe these are in the minority because there are other doctor turned nurses who are doing excellent nursing jobs.


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