[nursemi]

IS IT TRUE? The Napa Valley students won their case?

I hope so. Now the next question is why are the ATI and HESI allowing these colleges to mis use their exams????

Maybe they should seek some legal counseling against these colleges. Maybe the students attorney should ask these companies a few questions.

[nursemi]

I also forgot to add that there are similar cases in Toledo, and in Florida. Both cases won.

IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE TRUTH!

[morte]

Originally Posted by nursemi

I also forgot to add that there are similar cases in Toledo, and in Florida. Both cases won.

IT IS WHAT IT IS - THE TRUTH!

here is one "old" broad with tears for you, good luck

[Sheri257]

Originally Posted by MKZ

If one were to read the ATI closely enough , one can find ambiguous information ...

Sometimes I could find verbatim with a textbook in front of me, that said something completely opposite on the ATI practice test.

That's been an ongoing problem with our nursing program from the beginning. Unfortunately, there just isn't much consistency in nursing academia no matter what book you're looking at.

We'd always get test questions that never were mentioned in the book or, in any of the material we were given or, was totally contradicted in the material we were given. Finally, I figured out that I also needed study the NCLEX guides and do a ton of practice questions so I could figure out how to game the test, and that ended up helping me a lot.

In a weird way ... it also probably did prepare me for the ATI because, by then, I used to getting test questions that were totally out of left field.

And you're right ... the rationales in the ATI practice questions didn't always make a lot of sense and they were a lot different than anything we'd had before but, if you go through Saunders, Kaplan, etc. you'll see the same thing. None of NCLEX guides are consistent either.

So, what I focused on with ATI is: what are they driving at with these questions here? What is going on with this testing style? What are they looking for? In a lot of ways, you have to block out every other test you've ever taken and just focus on what these people are doing here.

It's really no different than trying to figure out what the teacher wants every time you start a new semester. Whatever you did on tests last semester doesn't matter anymore, you've got to adjust to the new teacher's testing style because it's always going to be different.

[NRSKarenRN]

From Napa Valley Register 13/6/06:

NVC nurse dispute decision expected soon

[an6el1022]

Oh gosh...I feel bad for those students...We have ATI at our school and our passing rate has to be 60%. I just took my ATI test and thank goodness I passed. But if we fail it a second time we must pass it with a 70& the second procotered test. We also don't do a print out of our at home practice test. I've heard a past student from my college (Merritt College), didn't pass the 60 or 70% mark and the instructors just made that person do some kind of paper on what they were learning for the semester. That person already graduated and did pass the NCLEX

Also, if it was at our school...We have our student handbook that we go by, sorta like how the CNA union has their contract....Anyways..nowhere in our handbook does it say if a student doesn't pass the ATI will they get dropped......We just had a mishap this first semester about some students getting between 70-75% as an overall score before clinicals...our handbook stated we needed 70% to go to clinical, but 75% overall for our final grade...Our class reps went to the teachers and talked to them during a meeting..and about 10 people were allowed to go to clinical as long as they signed a contract stating 75% overall score and to take a remediation class......Anyways just an example...of how students should stick together and fight together as they were they're own union for something they know is truly unfair.....

[NVCSN]

Just wanted to let everyone know that NVC nursing students won their case. They're allowed to graduate with their class. The meeting with the Board of Trustees was last night but was cancelled. The Board of Trustees are still investigating the used of ATI at our school.

[Donnetterr]

I'm so glad to hear the NVC student nurses won! That ATI test is ridiculous. It does not mimic the NCLEX, because it does not adapt to the test taker. It's good for review, but not as a barometer of one's ability to pass NCLEX. Walk with pride, NVC student nurses, and I admire your courage!

[cardiacRN2006]

Originally Posted by lizz

It's really no different than trying to figure out what the teacher wants every time you start a new semester. Whatever you did on tests last semester doesn't matter anymore, you've got to adjust to the new teacher's testing style because it's always going to be different.

Wow! You took the words right out of my mouth! This is exaclty how to take on any test. Ask, "ok, what are they looking for here?"

Lizz, thanks for stating what I wanted to say, only you do it a little bit more eloquently than I do!

[ewattsjt]

These national tests should never be used in the manner some colleges are using them. It is possible for someone can get an 87% on the test itself but still fall in 47% on the national average. Which would mean not graduating. I think anyone who passed the test but fell below the 50% national average has an outstanding case with the college.