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Old May 13, 2008, 11:35 PM
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Re: Medical helicopter crash kills doctor, nurse, pilot

Very sad story indeed. I truly feel for the families and friends of this team.

It is important to note that medical personnel who fly, whether fixed wing or rotary wing, do it because they have a desire for such work. They are acutely aware of the risks involved with every call, and the risk is part of the attraction to that line of work. These professionals died in the line of duty, doing what they love, are heroes (as are all dedicated healthcare professionals), and will be remembered as such.

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Old May 14, 2008, 12:22 AM
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Such a horrible tragedy for the families. I am getting the training I need in hopes of becoming a flight nurse. Makes me a little scared, but yet on the other hand I am looking forward to fulfilling my dream.....

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Old May 14, 2008, 04:27 AM
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Re: Medical helicopter crash kills doctor, nurse, pilot

that is tragic .i feel for the families .

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Old May 14, 2008, 06:16 AM
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It is very sad that they lost their lives doing something im sure they loved to do, only concelation to me is they perished doing what God had made them to do ,and so unselfishly gave thier very lives to help others True "AIRANGELS". My prayers to the families, Bryan

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Old May 15, 2008, 01:35 PM
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Re: Medical helicopter crash kills doctor, nurse, pilot

Actually for those that don't know, a helicopter can glide just as a plane can in the event of engine failure. It's slighty different, but the main rotor blades do produce lift, the pilot does a manuver called an autorotation. They can land just as softly and safely as if the engine had not failed. The issue in this case was that it was believed that the helo struck a fixed object, in which case is doesn't matter if it's fixed wing or rotorwing. Just a quick lesson in rotorcraft.

My condolences to the families.

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Old May 16, 2008, 04:41 AM
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Mark Coyne was an instructor at my tech college, just heard about it this week when I was home for wedding planning.

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Old May 16, 2008, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mait128 View Post
Actually for those that don't know, a helicopter can glide just as a plane can in the event of engine failure. It's slighty different, but the main rotor blades do produce lift, the pilot does a manuver called an autorotation. They can land just as softly and safely as if the engine had not failed. The issue in this case was that it was believed that the helo struck a fixed object, in which case is doesn't matter if it's fixed wing or rotorwing. Just a quick lesson in rotorcraft.

My condolences to the families.
Agree. The results of the investigation into this accident will not be known for several months. Even then, it may be hard to tell the exact cause. If you go back and look at prior reports, many cases of crashes seem to be CFIT. (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) I think it is difficult for people to understand the many risks associated with aviation, unless they work in the field.

Thoughts and prayers go out to friends and families. Flightweb also has a condolence book that people can sign.

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Old May 19, 2008, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by muhaha View Post
How come it always seems as though helicopters crash more than planes do?
According to the NTSB, helicopters crash less often than do airplanes, but as a percentage of the total fleet of each type, helos do crash a lot more often than do airplanes. A little confusing, but true. Helos are a relatively small part of the total number of flying machines out there, but when they do wreck, it more often involves fatalities. So you read more about them in the news. Also, since helicopters are more complex, there is more to go wrong. I would rather have a 15 pound turkey buzzard come through my windshield than hit my pitch links, I have a better chance at surviving that than if the birdstrike takes out my only ability to control my main rotor. The primary advantage over airplanes is that after an engine failure a helo can be put into a smaller place than an airplane. But an engine failure is but one of many failure scenarios. I may know what I am talking about here since I have had an engine failure in a helicopter and was able to put it down into a highway median without any damage other than what already happened to the engine in the first place. However, I still fly a helo at low altitude since many potential problems deteriorate over time which is why many helo pilots stay low even though it makes sense to fly higher to have time to work through emergencies. An example is a transmission chip light, which is a land as soon as possible event due to the possibility of the transmission seizing up before you can get the helo safely to the ground. One trend I have noticed about EMS aviation is that the use of night vision aids has not caught on as it has in Law Enforcement aviation. I personally will not fly a night LE mission without night vision goggles (NVGs). The safety enhancement is incredible. I'm not saying that the lack of night vision aids was a factor in this instance since that would be speculation, but I know many EMS pilots who would love to be able to use them.

My thoughts and prayers to the families and friends of those involved in this unfortunate incident.

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Old May 19, 2008, 11:37 PM
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One trend I have noticed about EMS aviation is that the use of night vision aids has not caught on as it has in Law Enforcement aviation.
Why has this not been utilized? Is it too expensive?

Anytime I've called for a helo to be dispatched, I always had to call them at night. I thought they used this type of technology.

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Old May 20, 2008, 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Medic2RN View Post
Why has this not been utilized? Is it too expensive?

Anytime I've called for a helo to be dispatched, I always had to call them at night. I thought they used this type of technology.
There are a few EMS operators that use NVGs. Very few. The bottom line is the cost. The most common NVG type is the ANVIS 9. These typically run about $10K reconditioned per unit and $12 to $14K new. Right now, the war effort has soaked up the new production runs, so a set for a civilian operator is hard to come by at any price. What few are available generally go to law enforcement agencies.

In a governmental agency (such as law enforcement), we get grants for acquisitions or we just beg until we get the money, and if we don't we just wait until next year and by then we lobby with our legislative contacts and get what we want. (We can't get a pay raise but we can get new equipment, go figure...yeehaw ).

With a civilian operator, it's all about the bottom line. Any non-revenue flight, such as training, costs money. New equipment costs money. It eats into the bottom line. In addition to acquisition costs, there is initial training, then recurrency training. There is already biennial flight reviews, standards training, FAA sub-part training and recurrency, recency of experience, and so on. Throw in the NVG stuff and it really adds up.

Many EMS pilots are ex-military pilots and know the value of NVGs, but many EMS operators will not allow their pilots to use NVGs because they don't want to foot the bill for equipment costs, initial training, and recurrency. My NVG instructor was a retired military Apachee pilot, worked part time for a Law Enforcement agency, instructed NVGs on the side, and worked full time for an EMS operator who would not allow the pilots to use NVGs. He didn't like it, but he only flew hospital to hospital runs, so he put up with it. He has told me he would not accept a mission to fly out to a crash scene in the dark of night and try to land in some highway median. The guys and gals who do take on these kinds of missions are generally low time pilots trying to build hours and will take the assignment because they don't know better. They are the ones who often end up in the news while the experienced guys won't even consider doing such a flight. (not saying that that is the case in this situation).

A friend of mine who retired from an LE agency took an EMS job because he needed the money (or thought he did). Company policy dictated that if he found himself in a IFR situation he was to climb up, file IFR and divert to the nearest airport with a published approach. Well, that very thing happened. He flew into an IFR situation and was lucky to survive it with a single pilot IFR circumstance and without an autopilot. Once he landed, he promptly resigned.

Another friend of mine, a member of my agency, simply told his part time employer that he would use his NGVs or he wouldn't work for him. Since he is the only pilot who will make late night runs, he has his way.

I have flown many missions at night, mostly on NGVs. We did some surveillance flights this past week in central Florida with the wildfires we have been having. Believe me, without the NVGs, I would have been at home in bed.

Again, I'm not saying that this situation would have been prevented with NVGs, as that would be speculation, and I don't want to second guess the actions of the pilot in this situation without knowing all the facts.

I just would like to see more EMS operators implement an NVG program into their operations, the safety enhancement would be considerable.


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