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Old Dec 25, 2005, 02:30 PM
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Re: Lowering Nursing Salaries

I hate when people claim that foreign nurses drive down nursing salaries. Nurses are arguably making the highest wages in places like NYC, LA, SF, etc where there are a LOT of foreign nurses working so I don't buy that for a second.

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Old Dec 25, 2005, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fergus51
I hate when people claim that foreign nurses drive down nursing salaries. Nurses are arguably making the highest wages in places like NYC, LA, SF, etc where there are a LOT of foreign nurses working so I don't buy that for a second.
I see your point here but anything that increases the labor supply is probably going impact wages to some extent. Increased labor supply can drive down wages. While the wages in those areas are high, the argument could be made that wages might be higher if foreign nurses weren't added to the labor pool.

Nevertheless, I would prefer bringing in foreign nurses to meet ratios than giving the hospitals an excuse to roll back the ratio law, which has also increased the demand for RN's and improved wages. In California, at least, foreign nurses probably haven't driven down wages because of the ratio law but I could see how they might drive down wages in other parts of the country.



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Old Dec 25, 2005, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by lizz
I see your point here but anything that increases the labor supply is probably going impact wages to some extent. Increased labor supply can drive down wages. While the wages in those areas are high, the argument could be made that wages might be higher if foreign nurses weren't added to the labor pool.

That just isn't a concern when there is such a shortage or we would also be complaining about nursing students (because when they graduate there will be more nurses right?). That argument taken to the extreme would mean we would want as many nurses to get out of nursing as possible, and that would just be stupid on our parts. I might wind up getting paid more, but I don't want to look after 20 critically ill patients to do it If we didn't have those foreign nurses, we would have to shut down half the hospitals in California. By law employers are required to pay foreign born and American nurses the same. Thanks to the new immigration requirements, those foreigners have to come here with greencards (except Canadians). That means they aren't tied to their employer and don't have to tolerate low pay or bad treatment which used to be why people claimed they drove wages down.

In my experience, the pay and conditions a nurse is willing to tolerate have nothing to do with citizenship. In fact, some American nurses are probably more likely to accept substandard pay because they are tied to a certain geographical area due to their families, which usually isn't the case with foreign nurses.

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Old Dec 25, 2005, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by fergus51
In my experience, the pay and conditions a nurse is willing to tolerate have nothing to do with citizenship. In fact, some American nurses are probably more likely to accept substandard pay because they are tied to a certain geographical area due to their families, which usually isn't the case with foreign nurses.
This is a good point. I've read many posts on this board where people want to move for better wages, etc. but can't because of their husband's job or family, etc.


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Old Dec 25, 2005, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by lizz
This is a good point. I've read many posts on this board where people want to move for better wages, etc. but can't because of their husband's job or family, etc.

It's unfortunate. Several of my friends are stuck in jobs they hate because they can't move due to family issues. I've been lucky enough to be able to move where the good jobs are. Getting stuck in a town with bad jobs can't be fun. I know it will happen to me one day if my parents' health declines too.

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Old Dec 26, 2005, 01:00 AM
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hospitals want us to believe this because it puts a crunch in their pocket books, in our hospital the starting salary is 17.25/hr. , 21 something close by, anyone else know of their hospital starting salary?

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Old Dec 26, 2005, 10:11 AM
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New grads make $20/h at my hospital in middle georgia...I make $25/h w/ 10 yrs experience and I train them!!! no market increase yet, but I haven't heard of them lowering salaries...wouldn't be cost effective, just more open positions they have to pay agencies to fill...

linda

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Old Dec 26, 2005, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lizz
You've made a lot of good points here, but just a couple of observations. It takes four years to complete my ADN program. The reason is: most schools, at least in my area, now require you to complete all pre-reqs before they'll even take you. And that's assuming you get into the program right away. But add to that the two year waiting list and you're now looking at six years to complete an ADN. That is a significant barrier of entry into the labor pool, at least in my area.
Lizz - I am currently an ADN student and have just completed my pre-requisites - as you spoke of above...took me 2 years. Now I look forward to 2 more years of school just to complete my degree. While I understand the reasoning (to an extent) for the BSN, I had to start somewhere. I look forward to earning my BSN after I get a paying job with some health benefits. However, at almost 34 years old with 2 kids and a husband working himself to death for me to just get through what I have so far....I say again - I had to start somewhere Thank you for making that point.

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Old Dec 26, 2005, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlantaRN
New grads make $20/h at my hospital in middle georgia...I make $25/h w/ 10 yrs experience and I train them!!! no market increase yet, but I haven't heard of them lowering salaries...wouldn't be cost effective, just more open positions they have to pay agencies to fill...

linda

Yebbut they don't have to pay benefits to the agencies. I can't believe you are making only $5/hour more than the new grads with your experience. Sigh.

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Old Dec 26, 2005, 10:12 PM
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this is my first visit to this site and i must say i am very dissatisfied at what i have been reading. it is very offensive to me to be referred to as just an lpn. i mean we are all in the profession as one;however, the posts from the individuals who carry the title of bsn have forgotten from where it was they came and is very sad. i have the responsibility as a charge nurse/med. nurse with an lpn license and very proud to say it. i work in ltc with 36 residents who depend on me daily and have never at one point in time ask my title. i pray we can look outside our egos and unite with one voice as to achieve more for our profession. may god richly bless you all.

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