[mercyteapot]

Originally Posted by Weeping Willow

You miss my point about morality and moral law. I'm not talking about only laws on the books. I'm talking about the law that is written on our hearts - or should be.

You do make a good point - how many can immigrate without damaging those of us already here? I don't know if anyone knows the answer. And free movement, free settlement are, in my mind, premised on everyone behaving decently toward everyone else. New arrivals must work and must not try to overpower those already here. There must be mutual respect. Since that very often does not happen in human relationships, I suppose we do need strict quotas, laws, and limits. Alright, I give up. You win, Mercy Teapot. And, no, I am not being sarcastic. I just feel sad that the human condition is so dog eat dog. That's why I'm Weeping Willow - I take all of this too much to heart. Sad that people are so hurtful to each other so often. Life is very hard.

No, I didn't miss your point about morality. There is no question that the Native Americans were treated atrociously by wave after wave after European immigrants who somehow managed at once to be both pious and heinous. And there are still those that wonder how the Aryan Brotherhood still has so many proponents. It is easy for hate to go unchecked when people convince themselves that their behavior is driven by the will of God.

I think what ends up happening on these boards sometimes is that comments sometimes come off seeming more harsh than the spirit in which they are intended. I don't consider this discussion to be a contest that someone wins and someone loses. No doubt, most of the Americans on allnurses have ancestors who benefited from the days when this country had much more liberal immigration laws. There are probably lots of us who had ancestors that benefited from homesteading laws, too, though. Unfortunately, those laws had to change, too. We no longer have an unconquered frontier that can accommodate an open immigration policy.

[kryzyl]

my sympathy are with the nurse and family

[Phil36RN]

I'm also a Filipino but I believe doing things the right way won't create any problem. I hope everything will get well for them.

[halvey]

"Can you imagine a newspaper article about "Community rallies around family caught knocking over convenience stores"??? "


The problem with this comparision is its wrong on several levels. She is guilty of not filling out some paperwork. The only people this negitively impacts is the patients in rual North Dakota who no longer are able to recieve her quality services. Lets face it, its not like there is a surplus of nurses in rual North Dakota. So, its unlikely she is driving down the cost of a "fair wage" for nurses in North Dakota. The community is rallying behind this nurse because she is an asset to thier community.

The family that gets caught "knocking over convenience stores," is a harm to the community. It deprives the owners of the store of thier property, and drives the price of goods up for the community. That is why its hard to imagine a community supporting a robber, and not hard to imagine a community supporting a nurse that failed to fill out some paperwork.