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Old May 02, 2007, 02:04 AM
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Legislation that would allow Medicare to use its bulk purchasing power to negotiate for lower prescription drug prices could save American taxpayers and seniors more than $30 billion annually. About $10 billion of these savings would accrue to American seniors in the form of cheaper prices. This is very significant, as the whole purpose of Part D was to help American seniors access vital prescription drugs. The median per capita income for American retirees is only $14,664[1] yet seniors require the most prescription drugs of any group of Americans. People 75 years of age and older take an average of 7.9 drugs per person per day.[2]
The U.S. government could save roughly $20 billion a year by having Medicare negotiate for the same prices the Veterans Administration already gets. Under pay-go budget rules, this represents an important source of savings that could be used to fund other programs.
In fact, the potential savings from just two drugs alone (Lipitor and Zocor) could entirely fund the shortfalls faced by states’ SCHIP programs (State Children’s Health Insurance Program) and ensure that more American children have adequate health coverage.
http://cdncon.vo.llnwd.net/o2/fotf/m...al_Savings.pdf

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Re: Drug Price negotiation could save 30 BN/yr.

This sounds like more political rant from HM2Viking's far left website collection. Question: If the alleged $10B is "negotiated" out of the pricing, who pays for new drug research and discovery?

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Old May 12, 2007, 11:08 PM
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This sounds like more political rant from HM2Viking's far left website collection. Question: If the alleged $10B is "negotiated" out of the pricing, who pays for new drug research and discovery?

Steve

Starting this month, seniors can get cheaper drugs by using Medicare discount cards. But because Medicare can't do what the Veterans Administration does -- can't do even what private employers are now joining together to do -- the Medicare discounts are limited. The consumer group Families USA has found that Medicare discount card prices on the most frequently prescribed drugs for seniors are at least 50 percent higher than the drug prices available to veterans. And you can bet that as America's major employers pool their bargaining power, they're going to get even better deals for their employees. This is crazy. Here we have private-sector employers using their clout to get drug discounts, while Medicare is barred from doing the same thing. Congressional Republicans who champion the free market and tell us repeatedly that the private sector is more efficient than the public, have prevented the public sector from being more efficient -- and saving money for older Americans. Go figure.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?..._drugs_in_bulk

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Old May 12, 2007, 11:10 PM
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But pharmaceutical companies don't own up to the fact that you and I are already paying twice for new drugs. Not only do we pay high and rapidly- escalating purchase prices for them. We also pay through our taxes. You see, a portion of federal tax revenues goes to support drug research.
For example, eight of the ten most popular drugs produced by one of America's largest pharmaceutical companies were developed at the National Institutes of Health, which is a huge taxpayer-funded research complex. Most of today's anti- cancer drugs also have come courtesy of the National Institutes of Health.
Drug companies do research and development, of course. But they devote only 12 and a half percent of their incomes to it, on average. They spend more than twice that on advertising and marketing. Much of the rest is profit. And drug companies are very, very profitable. During the recent downturn, the nation's top ten pharmaceutical companies reported a 33 percent increase in profits.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=drug_money

Taxpayers are already paying for drug development.

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Old May 14, 2007, 07:21 PM
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Re: Drug Price negotiation could save 30 BN/yr.

apples and oranges im afraid.....

How the VA Fixes Drug Prices and Restricts Access
Unlike Medicare, in which beneficiaries can choose drug plans, each with its own formulary, the VA offers no choice. Serving as the sole purchaser of drugs, the VA maintains a single national formulary that physicians must follow.
The VA formulary is created through access restrictions on drugs. For drugs to be covered on the formulary, their makers must list all of their drugs on the Federal Supply Schedule (FSS) for federal purchasers at the price given to the most-favored nonfederal customer under comparable terms and conditions.[1] Additionally, drug makers must offer the VA a price lower than a statutory federal price ceiling (FPC), which mandates a discount of at least 24 percent off the non-federal average manufacturer price (NFAMP), with a rebate if price increases exceed inflation.[2]
If drug makers do not comply with these terms, all of their drugs are excluded from federal programs except the market-based Federal Employees' Health Benefits Plan (FEHBP) and Medicare Part D.[3] The VA's discounts are mandated by law, and drug makers capitulate primarily because they want to maintain access to Medicaid, which comprises about 20 percent of the drug market.[4]
Beyond this regulatory pricing process, the VA sometimes obtains larger discounts by committing to purchase and use only certain drugs, thereby denying other drug makers access to the formulary and the VA market.[5] In these cases, drug makers tend to concede for three reasons: the VA system represents a small share of their market (usually 2 percent to 3 percent); doctors who might prescribe their drugs in the future often train in the VA system; and the VA's "closed" health system means there is little risk that the VA's discounted drugs will find their way to the private market and undercut broader pricing strategies.[6] Facing substantial fixed costs and relatively low production costs, drug makers are usually willing to accept below-market prices rather than not sell at all when a market is small enough that the loss in marginal profits will not significantly reduce overall profitability.
While the VA's pricing practices do not consist of price-fixing mechanisms alone, they are not "negotiation" either. The VA does not use its buying power to negotiate with drug companies for lower prices. Instead, the government, acting through the VA, uses its power to deny manufacturers market access as a way to extort lower prices. But these lower prices come at the expense of fewer drugs for patients.
Blocked Drugs: The VA Formulary
The restrictiveness of the VA drug formulary is one of its least attractive features, particularly as a model for the seniors and disabled individuals in Medicare. Recently, the Lewin Group, a prominent consultancy that models health policy proposals, compared the formularies of the VA, the most popular FEHBP plan, and the two Medicare Part D plans with the highest enrollments, focusing on the 300 drugs most prescribed to senior citizens. Lewin found that, of the 300 drugs, 106 (35 percent) are not included in the VA formulary, compared to 16 (5 percent) in the FEHBP formulary, and 18 (6 percent) and 19 (6 percent) in the Part D plan formularies.[7]
A separate analysis by Alain Enthoven and Kyna Fong of Stanford University[8] explained that, overall, less than one third of the 4,300 drugs available to Medicare beneficiaries are on the VA national formulary.[9] A closer look at the VA formulary reveals that new and innovative drugs, which tend to be more costly, are often excluded. According to a study conducted by Columbia University Professor Frank Lichtenberg, only 38 percent of the drugs approved by the FDA in the 1990s and 19 percent of the drugs approved since 2000 are on the VA national formulary.[10]
Economically, because the VA market is relatively small and mostly fails to cover expensive breakthrough drugs, government price fixing and further access restrictions can achieve savings in drug prices. Politically, the VA is able to restrict access because many veterans have other public or private insurance that, in effect, supplements the VA coverage.[11] Recent estimates show that up to 40 percent of Medicare eligible VA enrollees are now accessing drugs through Medicare part D.[12] While the VA model may work well for the VA given its circumstances, it could not easily be applied to Medicare.
Imposing the VA Model on Medicare
The size of any market can be an important determinant of price, particularly if market share is moved toward some drugs and away from others. However, there is a point at which size can be a major impediment to obtaining a below-market price, even if drug makers are routinely restricted or denied access to the market. Imposing a single, restrictive formulary would be much tougher to implement in Medicare, which is 20 times the size of the VA and represents 40 percent of the pharmaceutical market.[13] Because Medicare is so large and expected to rapidly grow, an attempt to impose the VA pricing model on Medicare would undoubtedly result in price changes for all pharmaceutical consumers.
Drug makers would be not only unwilling, but also primarily unable, to extend below-average prices to such a large group. Medicare's prices will invariably approach the average market prices, and seeking to force prices lower will be nearly impossible unless significant costs could be shifted onto others. Analyzing the possibility of extending federal prices to Medicare, the Government Accountability Office concluded:
Mandating that federal prices for outpatient prescription drugs be extended to a large group of purchasers, such as Medicare beneficiaries, could lower the prices they pay but raise prices for others. Such price changes could occur because drug manufacturers would be required to charge beneficiaries and federal purchasers the same prices. To protect their revenues, manufacturers could raise prices for federal purchasers. Furthermore, because federal prices are generally based on prices paid by nonfederal purchasers, manufacturers would have to raise prices to these purchasers in order to raise the federal prices.[14]
Extending federal prices to Medicare—and especially any of the additional price concessions received by the VA—would result in significant cost-shifting, as experienced after the enactment of the Medicaid rebate program in 1990[15]. With pharmaceutical companies having to look elsewhere for returns on their sizeable investments, they would be forced to charge higher prices to non-federal purchasers, including private health plans and other federal purchasers (because their prices are based on non-federal prices). Thus, government interference in Medicare pricing would likely accelerate the growth of drug prices for the entire country.
Moreover, closing off the market to uncooperative pharmaceutical companies, especially those offering high priced breakthrough drugs, or otherwise restricting access to a wide range of prescription drugs, would be no small political feat. Denying the Medicare population access to new drugs in the name of cost control could be a formidable political challenge for Congress and Medicare officials. After all, for seniors and the disabled, there is no realistic alternative to Medicare; in that sense they are quite unlike VA enrollees. But if the government were ambitious enough to deny or restrict market access to drugs—for both drug makers and patients—service utilization and costs in other parts of Medicare would increase, and beneficiaries who seek drugs elsewhere would face a greater financial burden.
The High Cost of Government Interference
Nonetheless, many in Congress advocate imposing the VA model on Medicare. Yet, if Congress fixes prices in Medicare and establishes a restrictive national formulary, the program would be less responsive to the diverse and ever-changing needs of beneficiaries and far more open to congressional budgetary pressures, such as the annual process of political gaming and ferocious lobbying by special interests. In addition, there would be a chain of other costs: billions of dollars in averted research and development expenditures by drug makers, forgone investment in an untold number of new drugs, and the considerable loss of valuable research and science jobs.
Medicare Part D circumvents these problems with its private competition framework and allows Medicare beneficiaries to choose the plan with the formulary that best meets their needs and preferences and to switch plans each year during open season. These competing private plans negotiate for lower prices with drug makers through formularies designed by experts. As a result, private plans face intense competition in the market, where there is pressure to be responsive to beneficiaries who wish to maintain access to a broad array of drugs at low prices. Medicare Part D does this while functioning within an open, private system of health care providers that allows seniors their choice of private doctors and hospitals, drug plans, and pharmacies.
If the VA's pricing practices were extended to a large market like Medicare, it would probably not lower drug prices or control costs. In fact, establishing a VA model in Medicare would probably have the opposite effect. The VA may indeed be adequate for the small market of veterans, who tend to have other drug coverage options. But as a model, it could not easily be applied to Medicare and would prove inadequate to meet the needs of the rapidly growing Medicare population which, now at least, enjoys the tangible benefits of a responsive, market-based system of consumer choice and competition.
from: http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm1420.cfm


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Old May 18, 2007, 02:41 AM
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I wouldn't trust the Heritage foundation as far as I could throw their building for validity of sources or reliability of judgement. Many of the older drugs are equally effective for treatment of conditions than the newer drugs. Many of the newer drugs are really "me too" drugs that are designed for the purpose of extending patent protections for current drugs rather than any real innovation.

I have previously cited Robert Reich's analysis of drug prices and who really pays for the basic science underlying new drugs. I don't have the source handy but the VA pays something on the order of 50% less than medicare for statin drugs. (Without a doubt one of the most prescribed drug classes in America.)

Food for thought about who really pays for innovation:

But don't the super-rich deserve their fortunes because of their hard work, pluck, and genius? I think not. For example, behind all the modern technology fortunes, one finds taxpayer-funded research and development. Bill Gates wasn't responsible for the crucial technical advances that produced the computer. His ''genius'' was to take advantage of work done at public initiative and expense.
...
Chuck Collins, economic expert and heir to the Oscar Mayer fortune, concludes, ''Yet, where would the many wealthy entrepreneurs be today without taxpayer investment in the Internet, transportation, public education, the legal system, the human genome and so on?'' To this, we must add several additional sources for the great fortunes. A partial list includes: piracy, colonial pillage, black African slaves, extermination of first nation peoples, child labor, Chinese and Irish immigrant labor (railroads) indentured servitude, eminent domain, massive (often concealed) taxpayer subsidies, worker massacres, inheritance laws, public land grabs, unfair trade practices, supporting foreign dictatorships to gain cheap labor and resources, tax policy, corporate welfare, and always, underpaid, overworked employees.

Where does this leave us? Personally, I've always been partial to the moral injunction, ''To whom much is given, much is required.'' Today, the ''much'' is rarely given voluntarily while the ''required'' remains an unrequited, vaguely subversive sounding afterthought. I wouldn't presume to improve on scripture but I would suggest a corollary: From whom much is taken, much is owed.

Self-made wealth is a myth. In the words of economic analyst Mike Laphan, ''It takes a village to raise a billionaire. Every taxpayer deserves some credit for the Forbes 400 wealth.'' So, if all production is social, where is society's dividend?
http://www.mcall.com/news/opinion/an...notherview-hed

The French do the same for pharmaceuticals, which are grouped into one of three classes and reimbursed at 35 percent, 65 percent, or 100 percent of cost, depending on whether data show their use to be cost effective. It's a wise straddle of a tricky problem, and one that other nations would do well to emulate.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...lth_of_nations

The VA is a superior system on health outcome measures. I hardly think the criticism of the formulary plan is warranted.

Indeed, the VHA's lead in care quality isn't disputed. A New England Journal of Medicine study from 2003 compared the VHA with fee-for-service Medicare on 11 measures of quality. The VHA came out "significantly better" on every single one. The Annals of Internal Medicine pitted the VHA against an array of managed-care systems to see which offered the best treatment for diabetics. The VHA triumphed in all seven of the tested metrics. The National Committee for Quality Assurance, meanwhile, ranks health plans on 17 different care metrics, from hypertension treatment to adherence to evidence-based treatments. As Phillip Longman, the author of Best Care Anywhere, a book chronicling the VHA's remarkable transformation, explains: "Winning NCQA's seal of approval is the gold standard in the health-care industry. And who do you suppose is the highest ranking health care system? Johns Hopkins? Mayo Clinic? Massachusetts General? Nope. In every single category, the veterans health care system outperforms the highest-rated non-VHA hospitals."
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Critics will say that the VHA is not significantly cheaper than other American health care, but that's misleading. In fact, the VHA is also proving far better than the private sector at controlling costs. As Longman explains, "Veterans enrolled in [the VHA] are, as a group, older, sicker, poorer, and more prone to mental illness, homelessness, and substance abuse than the population as a whole. Half of all VHA enrollees are over age 65. More than a third smoke. One in five veterans has diabetes, compared with one in 14 U.S. residents in general." Yet the VHA's spending per patient in 2004 was $540 less than the national average, and the average American is healthier and younger (the nation includes children; the VHA doesn't).
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...lth_of_nations

Business (in the private sector) negotiates for discounts based on volume all the time. Government should operate with the same premise. "Whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."

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Old May 18, 2007, 06:13 PM
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Of course The Heritage Foundation is suspect to the Liberal, just as The Prospect Organization is suspect to the Conservative. And I agree that equally effective older drugs are are falling by the wayside for newer, slickly marketed (and more expensive) drugs designed to fill the coffers of the manufacturers.

My original post made no reference to the quality or efficiency of the VA health system, any discussion of that would be off topic.

My whole point is that the VA system works well.....for the VA, which is a relatively small pool compared to Medicare. VA drug prices are, by law, 24% less than the private sector wholesale price. Mandated discounts for Medicare, which is 10 times larger than the VA, would undoubtedly raise that wholesale prices, sending any potential cost savings up in smoke.

Medicare insurers are currently negotiating drug discounts. If it isnt broke, why fix it?

I agree that prescription drug costs are a concern. There is likely not a one size fits all solution. Why not work to make us a nation of savvy health care consumers? Why not help the physicians learn the cost of the care they give and drugs that they prescribe? Like it or not, health care dollars are a limited resource.

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Of course The Heritage Foundation is suspect to the Liberal, just as The Prospect Organization is suspect to the Conservative. And I agree that equally effective older drugs are are falling by the wayside for newer, slickly marketed (and more expensive) drugs designed to fill the coffers of the manufacturers.

My original post made no reference to the quality or efficiency of the VA health system, any discussion of that would be off topic.

My whole point is that the VA system works well.....for the VA, which is a relatively small pool compared to Medicare. VA drug prices are, by law, 24% less than the private sector wholesale price. Mandated discounts for Medicare, which is 10 times larger than the VA, would undoubtedly raise that wholesale prices, sending any potential cost savings up in smoke.

Medicare insurers are currently negotiating drug discounts. If it isnt broke, why fix it?

I agree that prescription drug costs are a concern. There is likely not a one size fits all solution. Why not work to make us a nation of savvy health care consumers? Why not help the physicians learn the cost of the care they give and drugs that they prescribe? Like it or not, health care dollars are a limited resource.
Without a doubt health care dollars are limited. I think that the real issues come down to excessive administrative costs as well as a profit driven health care system. The problem with consumer driven health care is not the issue of teaching patients to be wise users of resources but rather that patients tend to be poor judges of must do care vs nice to do care. The central issue remains that the private medicare insurers receive substantial taxpayer subsidies which calls into question how willing they are to provide payment without the subsidy. Traditional medicare should be on a level playing field for drug price negotiation with the private sector providers and vice versa. As a taxpayer I think it is a waste of the taxpayers dollar to subsidize the private sector at higher cost to achieve equivalent results with traditional medicare.

I think that the french system of pharmaceutical reimbursement has merit and possible applications for the US. The other part of the Reich article was that most of the basic cost of basic science of drug development are paid for by the government (and taxpayers) through research grants to universities. Marketing research costs should not be paid for by medicare recipients either through direct drug costs or medicare reimbursements.

The VA quality outcomes certainly are on point simply because they are at least an indirect outcome measure of the service quality of the VA formulary. The other part of the VA is that they deal with a "sicker" population on average when compared to society as a whole and the subset of medicare recipients.

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