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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Not that I begrudge you the salary you make but geez I'll have to keep this in mind while I'm resuscitating somebody's kid in the middle of nowhere.

Please read ocankhe's comment for something that might put your qualms into perspective:

The question should not be why are CRNA's paid so much but why are other nursing career paths paid so little? CRNA's are well worth what they are paid and in fact maybe paid to little in some areas of the country.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by santhony44

One of the longstanding problems in nursing is the fact that nursing care is generally considered to be an expense, not a revenue generator. That's not true for CRNAs or NPs. Those services can be billed.

Excellent point. From a revenue viewpoint I can see how they could be considered more valuable as we all suspect what the true "bottom line" is in healthcare.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by berry

I talk about taking a healthy living breathing child and rendering them unconscious and insensible while using airways, tubes and mechanical ventilators to breathe for the patient, and maintain hemodynamics with IV fluids, drugs, and other interventions.

While I agree that from a revenue standpoint the CRNA could be considered more important but I fail to see the difference from a care standpoint. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely admire what CRNA's have to go through to even get the certification, you guys are more woman than I but as an earlier poster stated I think this really highlights the problem that comparitively there are other nursing paths that are grossly underpaid. For example, guess what I did last night...read the bold print above. Oh and we also rendered the child unconscious and insensible, the only difference is they were sick to begin with and we were doing it outside of the hospital. Now, do I think that makes me worth more than the PICU nurse who took the patient? Absolutely not, but...I am required to have more certifications, more education, more annual competencies, more responsibility and a more dangerous work environment yet we are paid regular nursing salary which at my hospital is significantly lesss than the surrounding areas. If the OP was originally commenting on soley their monetary worth to the hospital then she was absolutely correct and I took it wrong because I was in a crabby mood...for that I apologize. But the follow up posts weren't speaking of revenue they were speaking of what CRNA's do and I don't think we can qualify which nursing career is more or less important. Nor should we.

[piper_for_hire]

This is not true. This is only a recent position of the AANA, who of course do not control all of the pieces of the puzzle that would make the DNP hullabaloo a reality. It is also completely unknown if the grandfathering would exist (probably will) or in what form it would take. So, in other words, there is some serious interest in making the DNP required but we are very far away from being able to claim a date and a million miles away from the specifics of how all of it would work.

-S

Originally Posted by wtbcrna

CRNAs will have to have their DNP/DNAP by 2025 for those entering practice at that time. DNP/DNAP is totally different than Phd. CRNAs before that time will be grandfathered in.

[smileyRn96]

I believe that all APNs should make 70-80% of what an MD makes in their specialty. From that perspective all APNs are under paid by quite a bit. Instead of fighting over why one is paid more then another efforts should be made to get APNs paid what they deserve.
-Smiley

[sacrna]

Originally Posted by disboibdavid

how much school does it take to be a CRNA as much as NP right? or is different. and yea i made my decision, i'm going to go to university of san francisco undergrad nursing program.

One big difference is that many NP programs allow you to work while you study. There is no CRNA program where you will be able to work at the same time you are attending the program. Thus, the cost of the program and your living expenses will have to be paid through loans, and personal savings for the next 2.5 years.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by smileyRn96

I believe that all APNs should make 70-80% of what an MD makes in their specialty. From that perspective all APNs are under paid by quite a bit. Instead of fighting over why one is paid more then another efforts should be made to get APNs paid what they deserve.
-Smiley

As another person put it I will now put on my asbestos underwear.

[Rage]

Depends on the program and the amount of clinics involved.
Some are 24 months some are 30.........

MSN can be had as short as 14 months.........some are 24 months

So it depends on the program........the difference is the experience accepted as prerequisite. Most CRNA programs require 2 years ICU experience.........some only 1 year. ARNP can be done right after BSN.

So it all depends on the program and requirements. As said in another post by 2011 they will require a PhD for CRNA.

[CRNA2007]

It is a really simple reason. We generate much more revenue for the hospitals than NPs or other nursing specialties. There is also a huge demand for anesthesia providers right now. It's not complicated just follow the money and you will gewt your answer to 99% of your questions.

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Originally Posted by Rage

As said in another post by 2011 they will require a PhD for CRNA.

This is not correct. A PhD is a research doctorate. The AACN is pushing the earlier bid for doctoral preparation. The AANA is pushing towards a goal of a practice doctorate (DNP, DNAP) or similar doctorate by 2025. PhD will be welcome, but not required.