[Little Fish]

Originally Posted by deepz

Who do you think edited those videos, Fish? Consider the source. (A$A)

AZ is THE MAN -- a credit to nurse anesthetists and to the human race in general. Why do the docs denigrate him so and spread rumors right here on this BB?--because he calls a spade a spade. He points out that the Emperor (A$A) has no clothes.

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The ASA edited the video? Really? You have the proof, of course?

Come on, how many of you think we don't ever need an anesthesiologist around? Sure 90% of the time this is the case but to claim equivalence is pushing it. He calls himself a Dr. but where did he get his degree? Was it online like many DNP degrees? I think he looks like a fool making these staements and mostly calling himself, Dr. Do you really think the public is going to embrace this?

[deepz]

Originally Posted by Little Fish

The ASA edited the video? Really? You have the proof, of course?.......

Check the link that sent you to those two videos of AZ -- a link from the A$A (PSA, same as) to their edit of his testimony.

Now who looks like a fool, fish?

No need to speculate or spread rumors about AZ. Google him if you want to get your own facts straight and not just throw dirt.

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[Little Fish]

Originally Posted by deepz

Check the link that sent you to those two videos of AZ -- a link from the A$A (PSA, same as) to their edit of his testimony.

Now who looks like a fool, fish?

No need to speculate or spread rumors about AZ. Google him if you want to get your own facts straight and not just throw dirt.

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Still, can you show me what was edited?(I always wanted to use this symbol)

[NRSKarenRN]

Dr Arthur Zwerling's credentials:

Fox Chase Cancer Center's Arthur Zwerling Completes His Doctoral ...

PHILADELPHIA (Jan. 30, 2007) -- Fox Chase Cancer Center's Arthur Zwerling, C.R.N.A., M.S.N., D.N.P., of Elkins Park, Pa., has earned his doctorate in nursing practice in pain management from University of Tennessee Health Science Center. His focus was on assessment, prevention and treatment of post-thoracotomy shoulder pain syndromes.

Zwerling is a staff certified registered nurse anesthetist at Fox Chase and a lecturer at University of Pennsylvania School of Nursing. Before joining Fox Chase, Zwerling was program director of the Schools of Nurse Anesthesia at University of Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania Hospital.

Zwerling earned his M.S. from Saint Joseph's University and his M.S.N. from Temple University. Between the years of 2004 and 2005, Zwerling was awarded the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists Foundation Doctoral Scholarship and the International Nurses Society On Addictions Impaired Practice / Peer Assistance Award.

In addition to his professional work, Zwerling has volunteered his time to work with the Health Volunteer Overseas, Belize Nurse Anesthesia Program and Eritrea Nurse Anesthesia Program. He is also a member of the Pennsylvania Association of Nurse Anesthetists, American Association of Nurse Anesthetists and the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Art is more than qualified to speak on behalf of CRNA legislation and professional standards.

HOUSE BILL


No. 1256 Session of 2007


(4) A certified registered nurse anesthetist shall be 1 subject to all of the following:
2 (i) A certified registered nurse anesthetist shall
3 administer anesthesia in collaboration with a physician or
4 dentist.
5 (ii) A certified registered nurse anesthetist's performance
6 shall be under the overall direction of the chief or director of
7 anesthesia services, provided, however, that in situations or
8 health care facilities where anesthesia services are not
9 mandatory, the certified registered nurse anesthetist's
10 performance shall be under the overall direction of the
11 collaborating physician or dentist.
12 (iii) When the operating or anesthesia team consists
13 entirely of nonphysicians, an anesthesiologist or consulting
14 physician of the certified registered nurse anesthetist's choice
15 shall be available to the certified registered nurse anesthetist
16 by physical presence or electronic communication.
17 (5) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit
18 the continued practice of certified registered nurse
19 anesthetists who were authorized to practice in this
20 Commonwealth on the effective date of this section.
21 (b) A certified registered nurse anesthetist practicing in
22 this Commonwealth whose employer does not provide professional 23 liability coverage shall maintain a level of professional
24 liability coverage required by law of a physician providing
25 similar health care services in this Commonwealth, but shall not
26 be eligible to participate in the Medical Care Availability and
27 Reduction of Error (Mcare) Fund.
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...type=B&BN=1256

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Current Nursing Regs: Anesthesia. § 21.17. Anesthesia. The administration of anesthesia is a proper function of a registered nurse and is a function regulated by this section; this function may not be performed unless: (1) The registered nurse has successfully completed the educational program of a school for nurse anesthetists accredited by the Council on Accreditation of Education Programs of Nurse Anesthesia of the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists. (2) The registered nurse is certified as a Registered Nurse Anesthetist by the Council on Certification or on Recertification of Nurse Anesthetists of the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists. (3) The certified nurse anesthetist is authorized to administer anesthesia in cooperation with a surgeon or dentist. The nurse anesthetist’s performance shall be under the overall direction of the chief or director of anesthesia services. In situations or health care delivery facilities where these services are not mandatory, the nurse anesthetist’s performance shall be under the overall direction of the surgeon or dentist responsible for the patient’s care. (4) Except as otherwise provided in 28 Pa. Code § 123.7(c) (relating to dental anesthetist and nurse anesthetist qualifications), when the operating/anesthesia team consists entirely of nonphysicians, such as a dentist and a certified registered nurse anesthetist, the registered nurse anesthetist shall have available to her by physical presence or electronic communication an anesthesiologist or consulting physician of her choice. (5) A noncertified registered nurse who has completed an approved anesthesia program may administer anesthesia under the direction of and in the presence of the chief or director anesthesia services or a Board certified anesthesiologist until the announcement of results of the first examination given for certification for which she is eligible. If a person fails to take or fails to pass the examination, the person shall immediately cease practicing as a nurse anesthetist. If the applicant, due to extenuating circumstances, cannot take the first scheduled examination following completion of the program, the applicant shall appeal to the Board for authority to continue practicing. (b) For purposes of this section, ‘‘cooperation’’ means a process in which the nurse anesthetist and the surgeon work together with each contributing an area of expertise, at their individual and respective levels of education and training. http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/049/chapter21/s21.17.html

[deepz]

Originally Posted by Little Fish

Still, can you show me what was edited?........

Sheesh. The video clip is provided by P$A, hosted on their own website. You have need of further proof?

Then take AZ's word for it. He says (private communication) the video was very selectively edited. Of course P$A would want to portray his testimony in the worst possible light for their own purposes. They ain't playing beanbag there.

Obviously they have succeeded in fooling at least one gullible fish.

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[Little Fish]

Originally Posted by deepz

Sheesh. The video clip is provided by P$A, hosted on their own website. You have need of further proof?

Then take AZ's word for it. He says (private communication) the video was very selectively edited. Of course P$A would want to portray his testimony in the worst possible light for their own purposes. They ain't playing beanbag there.

Obviously they have succeeded in fooling at least one gullible fish.

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Deepz, I for one do need more proof than your word. If PSA did edit, its still AZ's words, right?

I'm not saying that the PSA didn't make the video more favorable for them but AZ did give them the ammo. I'm just hear to see that you don't go spouting off your opinions as fact.

Who's fooled?

[deepz]

Originally Posted by Little Fish

......I'm just hear to see that you don't go spouting off your opinions as fact. .....

Care to be specific, or just 'hear' to throw dirt?

You are not a CRNA, are you.

[Little Fish]

Originally Posted by deepz

Care to be specific, or just 'hear' to throw dirt?

You are not a CRNA, are you.

You mean "here" and not "hear".

And yes I am a CRNA. I have been doing this gig for a long time now. It is possible however, that I am not altogether happy with the current direction and beliefs of our society and the newly graduated CRNA's.

[CRNANUPE_2B]

If you are not a CRNA (which I know that you are not) then clearly you have no reason to comment on Dr. Z's work or affiliation with anesthesia, the AANA, or his stand against anesthesiologist. He is trying to advance Nursing Anesthesia. Period! It is enough that he is being met with so much resentment from the anesthesiologist but he sure don't need to have any backlash from CRNA hopefuls, nurse hopefuls, or nurses period. What you should be doing is giving him the props for going against those greety pig$ and taking a stand for nurse anesthesia. Without people like him, nursing anesthesia would not have advanced to where it is today. With that not happening I am sure that you would not even be on this board because you would def. not have an interest in nursing anesthesia (i'm willing to bet a million bucks). So show some respect and dignity. At least pretend that you are here for the greater good of anesthesia. Dr. Z's credentials are far beyond what many nurses dream of achieving. He has a doctorate, 2 master degrees, and advanced training in pain mangement (DAAPM) out side of his RN degree. So like many have said, he is well qualified to speak on behalf of the subject at hand. Another thing, If people call him doctor in the clinical setting it is not misrepresenting himself. He has a doctorate degree and deserves to get called such. He is a doctor (a doctor of Nuring). He is not a physician and thats where the difference lies. The patients don't know dittly swat of who is treating or caring for them anyway. Its not the patients that give a hoot, it the physicians that care so about it because they think someone is stepping on thier toes and they are the all mighty and who dares to try to come close. Please!! This is not 1940! Healthcare and Nursing is advancing. I am very proud to have someone to fight the war to better my future profession. Lastly, the white coat thing you said.............I guess we need to tell the janitors and the clerks to stop wearing scrubs because they look like nurses. While we are at it, lets tell the lab techs too so they won't be confused as physicians, nurses, or pharmacist.

[thezman]

All,

Just to clarify a few issues:

1.HB 1256 is very much alive in PA, please stay tuned to the PANA Wesite at
http://www.pana.org/top.asp There will soon be a white paper released that will clarify the history and issues that PANA faces in moving this legislation forward.
2.Please don't be fooled by the political rhetoric of the PSA/ASA the conflict is purely about control of anesthesia maketplace revenues.
3. I really do believe bringing the issue of my being in recovery is a pretty detestable cheap shot, particularly given the incidence of chemical dependency in anesthesia.
4. Regardless of my staunch opposition to the ASA/PSA assaults on CRNA practice in PA the PANA will continue to advocate for all CRNAs in PA. I have elected to remove myself from the equation so that we can all focus on principles rather than personalities.
5.Each and every time a nursing organization/group comes under fire and begins acting like a repressed group by circling the wagons and shooting inwards we do ourselfs a grave disservice. While the group is busy being in chaos and dissarray, the opposition gains tremendous power to subvert the mission of the organization which is to advocate for all of it's members.
6. For those who want to find out the reality and be part of the solution, please get involved with PANA and support the efforts of the BODs to get our 12 educational programs actively participating in the organization.
7. I hope to see all of you SRNA types involved in your professional organization rather than flaming each other in cyberspace. We need your committment and passion to move forward.

Best,

Art Z.