[deepz]

Originally Posted by core0

.......I do liver transplant ......

Oh really?

!

[Little Fish]

Originally Posted by deepz

Care to be specific? Or are you just here to throw dirt?

?

Well if you remember, you said that the crna's all left UNM after they hired aa's. You also said that the quality of care went down.

Specifics:
http://hsc.unm.edu/anesthesiology/crnas.shtml

You will see that there are plenty of crna's on staff at UNM.

About the quality of care I don't know b/c I am not there but do you really know that it went down or are you speculating?

So I'm not throwing dirt. I am however, correcting inaccuracies.

[deepz]

Originally Posted by Little Fish

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You will see that there are plenty of crna's on staff at UNM.

.......

That's now. You know nothing of who left UNM. I do.

You seem to have a lot of interest in supporting AAs.

[core0]

Originally Posted by deepz

Oh really?

!

Umm Yeah thats where I work.

David Carpenter, PA-C

[deepz]

You, as a PA, 'do' transplants..........?

[Josh L.Ac.]

I spoke with several CRNA's and anesthesiologists today about the new UMKC AA program. As expected, most of the CRNA's were initially negative in regards to the program, but after some questioning, their concerns were mostly from the gut rather than being based on reason. They were all glad that they were able to get the law in Missouri written in a manner than excludes them from teaching or supervising any AA's...which is understandable, especially if you felt like you were training your future replacement.

The anesthesiologists I spoke with thought the AA program would mean job security in the future, but in light of the existing anesthesia shortage coupled with the retirement of many CRNA's in the next two decades, they felt the impact of the new program won't be felt until they have all retired. I know that some of the anesthesiologists on SDF seem bound and determined to replace CRNA's with AA's, but that seems about as likely as Dubyah going down as one of the top 10 presidents in history.


On a side-note, I asked the CRNA I shadowed today if she felt working as a nurse [in the ICU] actually made her better at anesthesia. Her answer was no - doing anesthesia makes you better at anesthesia. The research comparing the M/M outcomes between CRNA's and AA's is limited, but it looks like so far it follows this line of reasoning.


She also felt a RT going to AA school would probably be a better provider initially than the average ICU nurse going to CRNA school [but after a few years of practice there would be little difference].

[jwk]

Originally Posted by deepz

That's now. You know nothing of who left UNM. I do.

You seem to have a lot of interest in supporting AAs.

Don't tell me you left UNM Z !

[core0]

Originally Posted by deepz

You, as a PA, 'do' transplants..........?

"I do liver transplant"

No I work in liver transplant not I do liver transplants.

David Carpenter, PA-C

[Ventjock]

Originally Posted by deepz

Q -- how many CRNAs still work at the UNM Hospital in ABQ after faculty hard-core A$A types brought in AAs?
A -- They left.

found the answer: 10 CRNAs

http://hsc.unm.edu/anesthesiology/crnas.shtml

[sacrna]

I am a CRNA. I don't have anything against a PA that has had special training to administer anesthesia. PA's have a medical background and the majority have masters degrees. I spoke with a PA that is interested in anesthesia and he told me that he would have to complete a specialization in anesthesia in order to practice. He has a masters degree and extensive experience in the OR and in clinical practice. On the other hand, I do have a problem with AA's. An AA does not have a clinical medical background. You can have a degree in history and as long as you have completed the prerequisites for the program and graduate, you can give anesthesia. An RN, has had clinical experience in school and with the pre-requisite ICU experience. Another sore spot for CRNA's is that if an AA is an Anesthesiologist's assistant, then their training should be done by an anesthesiologist and not a CRNA. There is a big difference between a PA practicing anesthesia and an AA.