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  #21  
Old Mar 18, 2005, 10:22 PM
Cherish (Female)
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Originally Posted by filasian04
Is it unethical to join the AF when the recruiter has been working so hard to get me in the USAR? I'd much rather go where I'll be a rank higher.

Is the benefit package for Air Force Reserves similar to Army? I'm supposed to get $1235/month stipend + drill pay (for going to school and doing clinicals) + the $50,000 loan repayment and attached to the NAD (and not get pulled out of CRNA school until I graduate to go to war). What sort of benefits did you get?

In the AF Reserves, do you automatically get promoted to 0-3 (CPT) right after graduation/CRNA certification?

Thanks in advance.
Pay is the same in ALL MILITARY BRANCHES. From E1-E9 or O1-O10, doesn't matter if your AF, Army, Marine, CG, Navy, you get the same pay for your rank, so a Captain in the AF gets the same as a Captain in the Army so on so forth. When you finish the CRNA school doesn't matter what branch you come out a CPT. BTW for those AF people CRNA school and training is conducted and run by the ARMY. That is why Army nurses have MORE slots than any other branch because they run the program. So in class there will be mostly Army nurses, than Navy or AF nurses. Bonuses and incentives depend on when you recruited your MOS (military occupation specialty) and when you sign up. So if in March you get a bonus for 25, 000 that doesn't mean the next month someone else can get the same bonus they can get MORE or LESS than you, it really depends on when you sign your contract and what you have done in the civilian world (like more time as a nurse). So don't be mad if someone in class who is the SAME BRANCH gets a higher bonus than you, it just depends on when you sign up. This happens to enlisted soldiers also.

FYI just for those who are wondering about promotion once in the military. Army gets promoted FASTER than the Air Force. The Air Force promotes their personnel less than any other branch. Lets just say a buddy of yours signs up for Army and you sign up for AF, you sign up at the same time. You both come out of school as CPT, but then 2 years later your still a CPT and she's now CPT-P (which means promotable), now 6mths later shes a Major getting paid more than you are and you both have the same time of service and you get promoted 2-3yrs after she gets her Major, after 4-5yrs of her being a Major she is going to soon be promotable and you have only been a Major for a year or two. It sucks for those AF people but Army gets promoted faster and they have MUCH easier promotions. In the Army you get promoted based on points and going to the board then getting promoted. In the AF, they test you (book type test), and go to the board and have to wait till slots are open. The Army has slots to but they process them MUCH faster. So money wise and promotion wise you can make more in the Army because the promotion turnover is WAY faster than the AF.

Being Active Duty, you get promoted faster than Reserve to so remember that. But being in the Army you WILL get deployed (but you get deployment pay). A lot of people come back from deployment (mostly single people) with 15,000-25K saved up in the bank. You can and will make money being deployed, but AF doesn't deploy a lot and they do not stay deployed more than a year, they usually deploy just for 6mths. So think about that if you have a family, if you don't mind being deployed and getting promoted faster than join the Army. But if you do mind then don't!!! Join the AF, if you have family and DO NOT want to be deployed.

If you have any other questions PM me I might be late answering them since this Sunday I am leaving on my deployment but will answer them with my laptop, will take a couple of weeks to get the answer though. BTW I am in the Army

Heres the military pay chart its in ADOBE:

http://www.dfas.mil/money/milpay/pay/


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Old Mar 19, 2005, 08:28 AM
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As an active duty captain in the AF I agree with most of what you say.

The nurse corps in the AF is the slowest promoting branch. My wife, a dietician who I met at officer's school (MIMSO, COT, officer basic, or whatever you call it) and all the other non-nursing medical officers from our class got selected for major this time last year and should be pinning on that rank very soon. Me, as a nurse, was supposed to meet the major's board this fall...but that board has been held off for a year. The average time to pin on major is around 9 years, but 11 for nurses (including CRNAs). There is no test to take, your records go in front of a board of maybe 5 colonels who get an average of 3 minutes to decide on each record. These guys are not nurses...they most likely work outside the hospital altogether. We have been trying hard to make ourselves sound like non-nurses so that pilots and such don't get a lot of lingo on our records to deal with.

As for CRNAs, as I posted earlier, the active AF has dropped its CRNA slots from 176 to 123. This led to a decrease in slots for existing AF nurses to go to school from 25 to 8 for the guys starting this Summer.

The major deployment for us is Balad Air Base in Iraq. Formerly known as Camp Anaconda to the Army, we gave them a break and took over the tent hospital there. Our deployments are for 4 months. The folks that left in Jan are to be replaced in May. There is talk here and there that it may someday be a six month rotation, but who knows. It is nice when you own the airlift to get you there and back!

The AF has done a lot of good things for me, but 24 years is enough. I'm glad to be getting out in 3 months. Going into the military is a big step. I agree with the other posters here, you have to want to do this for your country. If money for school is your only motivator, you will soon forget that and be in pain for the rest of your obligation. Big loans may be scary, the the earnings difference may enable you to be free (finacially vs. obligated) sooner.

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Old Mar 20, 2005, 11:56 PM
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My uncle is in the Army, He has been an RN for about 12 years and he just got sent to one of Germany's Big Hospitals for the Second time in two years, he will be there for 18 months or more this time.. not something he had planned or wanted to do, but thats army life I guess.

David

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Old Mar 21, 2005, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by kmchugh
14 year Army veteran here. There are upsides and downsides to military service. But, look at the contract. A standard clause in ALL military contracts is that whatever you are promised can be changed at the convenience of the government. So, if the Air Force needs RN's while you are in school, you are out of school and on your way to Afghanistan, Iraq, or Alaska. No questions asked, no allowances made. Just be wary.

Kevin McHugh
10 year USAF vet here. this is absolutely 100% true. Be sure this is what you want.

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Old Mar 21, 2005, 05:24 AM
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My 2 cents

I just ETS from active duty as a captain in the nurse corps and applying for the army strap program. As far as overall benefits, the army program is better (drill pay while in school and more money for loan repayment). 4 month deployments for CRNAs aren't bad either.

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Old Mar 24, 2005, 12:07 AM
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Here's a cogent editorial for those contemplating a military career:

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...776488,00.html

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Old Mar 31, 2005, 04:48 PM
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This article shows some medical care by the AF hospital at Balad:

The link below will take you to a PowerPoint slideshow featuring the

article/photos from Sunday's New York Times about the Air Force Theater

Hospital at Balad Air Base, Iraq.

http://emissary.acq.osd.mil/lads.nsf/Files/E7AA29A3B33FF1C985256FD2005EC5F4



This file will be removed from the LADS after 4/27/2005 when it

expires.

These photos are not as graphic as some of the stuff that I've seen from the Army guys, but sad to see all the same...

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