[Focker]

I want to know what kind of courses/training is going to take place in the extra 1.5 years to get this DNP. Personally, most of the courses that I take now that are requirements for the masters degree, such as research, program planning, etc. I find to be a complete waste of time. I don't see how moving to a doctorate makes much sense, when it would take every bit as long as med school (longer actually when you include the required years of ICU experience), why not just go to med school then? Especially if the extra 1.5 years turns out to be more fluff classes.

[meandragonbrett]

The AANA does not support the DNP becoming the entry level to nurse anesthesia practice and CRNAs are not credentialed by the American Nurses Credentialing Center etiher.

[deepz]

Originally Posted by Focker

.......why not just go to med school then? ......

But in that case, you'd be settling for the second-best anesthesia training. Go for the gold!

[Proverbs 16:3]

You know i've thought about that. There i currently know of 2 DrNP programs and they require MSN. Columbia and Drexel. Drexel is 3yrs and columbia is 2 yrs.
there's a school in virginia, i believe, that is going to start a DNP for Anesthesia, it's a 3yr program and of course, u have to be a CRNA which means u definately have ur masters.
So here here's the deal, 2yrs of anesthesia school and 3yrs of DNP, it made me think 4yrs of med school sounds a lot better especially when ur last 2 yrs of med school is just clinicals and oh...some med schools do the theory in 1.5yrs...
the other ? is, is the CRNA gonna spend these years in school and come out with a starting salary of 140 when MD's start around 300?
Like someone said, incorporating the DNP into CRNA school would be much better but the way things are now shows u are gonna do them extra 3 yrs.

[DarrenWright]

Originally Posted by Proverbs 16:3

You know i've thought about that. There i currently know of 2 DrNP programs and they require MSN. Columbia and Drexel. Drexel is 3yrs and columbia is 2 yrs.
there's a school in virginia, i believe, that is going to start a DNP for Anesthesia, it's a 3yr program and of course, u have to be a CRNA which means u definately have ur masters.
So here here's the deal, 2yrs of anesthesia school and 3yrs of DNP, it made me think 4yrs of med school sounds a lot better especially when ur last 2 yrs of med school is just clinicals and oh...some med schools do the theory in 1.5yrs...
the other ? is, is the CRNA gonna spend these years in school and come out with a starting salary of 140 when MD's start around 300?
Like someone said, incorporating the DNP into CRNA school would be much better but the way things are now shows u are gonna do them extra 3 yrs.

It's not quite that simple for anesthesiologists. There isn't quite the shortage of them, so slots are harder to get. Additionally, they don't just graduate from four years of medical school and become anesthesiologists. They have to match into a competitive residency, and then complete an additional three years (or four additional years, depending on where they got in), and then they can sit to be board certified.

[meandragonbrett]

Originally Posted by Proverbs 16:3

You know i've thought about that. There i currently know of 2 DrNP programs and they require MSN. Columbia and Drexel. Drexel is 3yrs and columbia is 2 yrs.
there's a school in virginia, i believe, that is going to start a DNP for Anesthesia, it's a 3yr program and of course, u have to be a CRNA which means u definately have ur masters.
So here here's the deal, 2yrs of anesthesia school and 3yrs of DNP, it made me think 4yrs of med school sounds a lot better especially when ur last 2 yrs of med school is just clinicals and oh...some med schools do the theory in 1.5yrs...
the other ? is, is the CRNA gonna spend these years in school and come out with a starting salary of 140 when MD's start around 300?
Like someone said, incorporating the DNP into CRNA school would be much better but the way things are now shows u are gonna do them extra 3 yrs.

By incorporating the DNAP and bypassing the MSN, you ultimately "dumb" down the degree and then having a doctorate means absolutely nothing because everybody and their brother has one. That's my main problem with some of the APN schools doing away with the MSN and doing BSN-->DNP without obtaining a masters. Just my .02.


Anesthesiology= 4 years undergrad, 4 years med school, 1 transitional year, 3 years of anesthesia = 12 years

Nurse Anesthesia=4 years of undergrad, 1 year of acute care (just using minimum reqs here), and 2-3 years for MSN. so about 10 years give or take. The AANA has not even mentioned the idea of making entry level of practice at the doctoral level as of now. As previously stated, they have a position statement regarding doctoral entry into practice.

[jwk]

Originally Posted by meandragonbrett

Anesthesiology= 4 years undergrad, 4 years med school, 1 transitional year, 3 years of anesthesia = 12 years

Nurse Anesthesia=4 years of undergrad, 1 year of acute care (just using minimum reqs here), and 2-3 years for MSN. so about 10 years give or take. The AANA has not even mentioned the idea of making entry level of practice at the doctoral level as of now. As previously stated, they have a position statement regarding doctoral entry into practice.

4 + 1 + 2 or 3 = 7 or 8, not "about 10 years give or take". Claiming that 7 years of education is "about 10 years" and trying to make that analagous to college + med school + residency is pretty ludicrous.

[meandragonbrett]

Originally Posted by jwk

4 + 1 + 2 or 3 = 7 or 8, not "about 10 years give or take". Claiming that 7 years of education is "about 10 years" and trying to make that analagous to college + med school + residency is pretty ludicrous.

Oh, excuse me for adding wrong, jwk. Always quick to point out one's mistake!

[Aquarian]

Originally Posted by meandragonbrett

Oh, excuse me for adding wrong, jwk. Always quick to point out one's mistake!

I'm sure that you didn't mean to give the wrong figure (of course!).

[DIGNOUT]

Originally Posted by meandragonbrett

By incorporating the DNAP and bypassing the MSN, you ultimately "dumb" down the degree and then having a doctorate means absolutely nothing because everybody and their brother has one. That's my main problem with some of the APN schools doing away with the MSN and doing BSN-->DNP without obtaining a masters. Just my .02.

Correction/FYI: the DNAP does not necessarily "dumb" down anything. The DNAP that is pending approval at VCU will be above and beyond the MSNA. The combined MSNA/DNAP will grant a Master's and subsequent Doctorate, neither "bypassing" the other. Check it out: http://www.sahp.vcu.edu/nrsa/programs/combined.htm.
Also, look at the curriculum plan for the FT program--- doctoral courses are highlighted dark grey and are in addition to graduate-level courses. Furthermore, the DNAP degree is not awarded until the MSNA is earned and certification as a CRNA is achieved. I hope this helps.