[neurogeek]

[ I don't know one nurse who could sit through a physical chemistry/ quantum physics course and pull an 'A'. let alone pull an 'A' in all chemistry courses.

I know that you have a very valid point here, but please don't assume that all nurses are just too dumb to excel at the same subjects as physicians. Many of us, myself included, have either taken additional pre-med courses or have additional degress such as in Biology or Chemistry. Having taken inorganic and organic chemistry and made "A's" in both coursees I find it a bit insulting that you believe a nurse isn't capable of this feat. Most of the med schools only require general physics, not quantum physics, and it's not that difficult of a course if you understand trig and algebra (yes, I took physics and made an A). So many of us have had the same undergrad courses as many of the physicians, by our choice for whatever reason.

[proclivity]

Originally Posted by neurogeek

[ I don't know one nurse who could sit through a physical chemistry/ quantum physics course and pull an 'A'. let alone pull an 'A' in all chemistry courses.

I know that you have a very valid point here, but please don't assume that all nurses are just too dumb to excel at the same subjects as physicians. Many of us, myself included, have either taken additional pre-med courses or have additional degress such as in Biology or Chemistry. Having taken inorganic and organic chemistry and made "A's" in both courses I find it a bit insulting that you believe a nurse isn't capable of this feat. Most of the med schools only require general physics, not quantum physics, and it's not that difficult of a course if you understand trig and algebra (yes, I took physics and made an A). So many of us have had the same undergrad courses as many of the physicians, by our choice for whatever reason.

you're obviously an exception as are most CRNAs, for that matter.

Taking into consideration your post, you must admit that a vast majority of BSN prepared nurses are most likely not able to hack the pre-med classes. Simply out of lack of patience of being able to sit still for 6 hours and study or just because they think it is useless and many only take what they need to take in order to get their degree. This is understandable but not my bag of chips. Many think there is no reason to study after graduating...a major difference between most nurses and most physicians and likely a precipitating factor of the longtime riff.

[neurogeek]

[quote=proclivity;2277055]you're obviously an exception as are most CRNAs, for that matter.

Taking into consideration your post, you must admit that a vast majority of BSN prepared nurses are most likely not able to hack the pre-med classes. Simply out of lack of patience of being able to sit still for 6 hours and study or just because they think it is useless and many only take what they need to take in order to get their degree. quote]

Wow. That's pretty insulting. I don't think it's very kind, or accurate, to state that most nurses can't "hack the pre-med classes". Wow. I"m in shock. YOu are a nurse, right? I think you are correct when you stated that most do not because they choose not to for whatever reason. But saying that they can't is another thing. By the way, I know many, many nurses who have taken a lot of the pre-med courses. You make nurses sound like that are of inferior intelligence to doctors. Please tell me that was not your intent.

[DIGNOUT]

Four words for this post: Beating a dead horse.

[Blush000]

I am aspiring to be a CRNA and I am very disappointed with this post. From the time I decided to do CRNA I have heard doctors and nurses downing this career field and it's something I don't understand.

1) The field was put into place for a reason, it is obvious that specialized nurses were needed to help assist MDA's in the field

2) The main complaint is over money if CRNA's weren't getting paid as much as they do there would be no issue

3) MD's should have harder exams and more preperations THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOCTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They hold lives in their hands if anything it should be harder because to many brains without common sense slip through the cracks.

4) Everyone made a choice. I decided to be a nurse because that is what I wanted to do not because I couldn't be a doctor but because I WANTED to be a nurse. Doctors made the choice knowing full well what they were getting into so why gripe and complain about it.

5) Nurses need to respect themselves more and then other people will to especially Doctors, nurses are for some reason seen as low level assistants when they go to school, do clinicals, and are caring for the injured and sick on a daily basis. Never say well i'm just a nurse, you are one of the most vital and in demand occupations there is, be proud of that!!

6) CRNA's role is vital and they have to act independently and if there is something they can not handle they should be able to call a MDA for further assistance, BUT imagine all the knowledge and skilll the CRNA must have to perform the functions they do and in the end will only have to call on a MDA if there is a complete emergency. That is pretty impressive.

Finally to reinterate what I said before its all about the money, however if CRNA assist MDA's then they should get half. If you make 300k I should get 150k, PERIOD.

The amount of school and skill neccessary to be a CRNA is just 2 years short of a MD, why not be proud of it.

[skipaway]

Originally Posted by blush0924

I am aspiring to be a CRNA and I am very disappointed with this post. From the time I decided to do CRNA I have heard doctors and nurses downing this career field and it's something I don't understand.

1) The field was put into place for a reason, it is obvious that specialized nurses were needed to help assist MDA's in the field

2) The main complaint is over money if CRNA's weren't getting paid as much as they do there would be no issue


6) CRNA's role is vital and they have to act independently and if there is something they can not handle they should be able to call a MDA for further assistance, BUT imagine all the knowledge and skilll the CRNA must have to perform the functions they do and in the end will only have to call on a MDA if there is a complete emergency. That is pretty impressive.

Finally to reinterate what I said before its all about the money, however if CRNA assist MDA's then they should get half. If you make 300k I should get 150k, PERIOD.

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You need to do more research on our field before you post comments like this.

Your first point: CRNAs were not created to help MDs, that was what AAs were created for. CRNAs have been giving Anesthesia for over 100 years now, even before MDs were doing it. I'm not a handmaiden and when and if you become a CRNA, hopefully after being educated, you will not consider yourself a handmaiden either.

Your 2nd point: That's their complaint. They can complain all they want, I do a job and I get fair compensation for it. It is none of their business how much I make. When and if you become a CRNA, hopefully after being educated, how much you make will not be an issue to you either.

Your 6th point: When and if you become a CRNA, you will find that CRNAs are educated in the art and science of anesthesia and if you are in an ACT practice then you may ask an MD for backup. But, many, many, many, CRNAs practice independently without "backup" from an MD and amazingly, their patients survive! After you are educated, this will not be an issue to you either.

And your last statement about being worth 1/2 of an MD is just incredibly ignorant of what a CRNA does every single day. Same job....same worth. Again...after you've been educated, you'll understand this.

[wtbcrna]

Ok, this thread is crazy. I highly suggest looking into the history of nurse anesthesia before making comments that have been made on this thread. I would also suggest this website http://www.anesthesia-nursing.com/wina.html for a short nurse anesthesia history in the U.S..

Nurse Anesthetists having been doing anesthesia as long or longer than physicians. CRNAs do not need the supervision of an MDA to provide safe anesthesia care.
Research shows that CRNAs provide just as safe or safer anesthesia care than MDAs.
It is requirement in some states that CRNAs work under the supervision of MDAs, not all states but some....some states allow total independent practice by CRNAs.
The fight between MDAs and CRNAs is about money. Historically most physicians weren't that interested in anesthesia until it became a more lucrative speciality.

Don't kid yourself, all the CRNAs I know could have went to medical school and did just fine. A lot of the instructors at my school have their CRNAs and PhD in neuroscience (military school). I don't think anyone of them would have a hard time passing the med-school classes in fact they have to take several with the med students for their PhD.

As far as nurses not being smart enough for Med-school......My last unit one of the nurses had his Master's in engineering and a Phd in physics......highly unusual but people get into nursing for all different reasons it is not because we are just too dumb to go to med-school.

Just the rambling of an SRNA.....

[Blush000]

Originally Posted by skipaway

You need to do more research on our field before you post comments like this.

Your first point: CRNAs were not created to help MDs, that was what AAs were created for. CRNAs have been giving Anesthesia for over 100 years now, even before MDs were doing it. I'm not a handmaiden and when and if you become a CRNA, hopefully after being educated, you will not consider yourself a handmaiden either.

Your 2nd point: That's their complaint. They can complain all they want, I do a job and I get fair compensation for it. It is none of their business how much I make. When and if you become a CRNA, hopefully after being educated, how much you make will not be an issue to you either.

Your 6th point: When and if you become a CRNA, you will find that CRNAs are educated in the art and science of anesthesia and if you are in an ACT practice then you may ask an MD for backup. But, many, many, many, CRNAs practice independently without "backup" from an MD and amazingly, their patients survive! After you are educated, this will not be an issue to you either.

And your last statement about being worth 1/2 of an MD is just incredibly ignorant of what a CRNA does every single day. Same job....same worth. Again...after you've been educated, you'll understand this.

Thank you for that you are right, I wasn't trying to imply that a CRNA was an assistant. Overall what I wanted to emphasize is that everyone plays a particular purpose in the hospital and no one profession should be slighted and it seems a lot of the times the CRNA profession has been slighted. I do understand how my wording could have made it seem like I was reducing CRNA's to assistants. Not my intention. When I become a CRNA I want the same respect as everyone else, so I would not even dream of trying to reduce myself to an assistant.

[deepz]

Originally Posted by wtbcrna

..........
It is requirement in some states that CRNAs work under the supervision of MDAs, not all states but some....

Wrong, wrong, WRONG.

NO STATE requires CRNAs to be stupervised by MDAs.

None.

If you are an SRNA and your instructors have told you the above bit of misinformation, then please enlighten them.

[wtbcrna]

Originally Posted by deepz

Wrong, wrong, WRONG.

NO STATE requires CRNAs to be stupervised by MDAs.

None.

If you are an SRNA and your instructors have told you the above bit of misinformation, then please enlighten them.

Okay, sorry for the misquote.....since you brought it up I will let you explain about collobartive agreements etc.


And yes I am SRNA, 1st semester at USUHS.