[trp100329]

I'm sorry, but your comment about nurses not being as smart as doctors was inane. More education does not necessarily equal more intelligence, and if you haven't figured that out by now I don't want any part of anything YOU have to say about nursing roles.

Terri

Originally Posted by janecristensen

Let me first say thank you all for the supporting comments. For those of you who doubt my job title, I could care less. Not worth my time to discuss here. One of my colleagues referred me to this site last week. She said to watch out for some of the postings. She said she was often turned off by what some of you say. However, I was doubtful. I was going to try to prove her wrong. Like I said earlier, I was hoping this would be a forum to discuss these issues... to open the lines of communication and education regarding our roles.

But, it was bitter sweet, and only because of a FEW bad seeds. The bitterness can be cut with a knife its so thick. I mean how long to you have to keep repeating the same ol' "we know as much as them" stuff. YOU DONT! you never will. ACCEPT IT! Be proud to be a crna. We're different, we're special. As soon as we accept this, we all become winners. It really is pathetic. It makes us, the majority of CRNAs, look weak, bitter, pathetic and jealous. I mean give me a break!! I thought this was a dead issue, and for most of you it seems to be so. But there are still a few like 'kmm' that stick out like a sore thumb. I'm sorry you feel that way, but go back and read your post again, carefully. Don't you see it?? PLEASE refrain from writing those types of comments in public places where people can read it. You are bringing our profession down. You're not in the top tier.. accept it. be proud to be a crna! We love our job. We're special. dont forget that! you seem to always forget that.

Again, thank you for all those encouraging posts and emails I've received over the past few days. It's nice to know the majority still has their heads on straight. However, I think I'll visit this site 'thread' less often. Keeping my distance from those types always makes me look good and respectable, and I hope the rest of you will do the same.
My department is gearing up for a crna seminar this fall in arizona. Our department will be giving 3 presentations. I will be giving one of them, specifically talking about these very issues, mainly what I brought up earlier in my first posting. We need to continue to spread this knowledge, communicate and close those information gaps. The support here in the metro for this 'progressive' talk is outstanding amongst colleagues.. as opposed to the 'kmm' regression rhetoric which we would all like to see disappear.

I will not be discouraged, and I hope you aren't either! Anyways, good luck to all in your careers!! Hope to see you soon!

[CRNAGAL]

Posts Like These DRive Me Nuts.

[RNFPC]

Stop belittling those that have gone to medical school, you should not open your mouth about it unless you have been through it, you have NO idea...[/quote]


Perhaps anesthesiologists and med students should stop belittling nurses, CRNA's, NP's, etc... unless you are one, you have NO idea what it means to be one...

[triad1006]

I do think it is interesting how a CRNA who heralds the MDA's is questioned 10+ times, but an MDA who heralds the CRNA's isn't questioned one bit. You can say whatever you want, but the bias is obvious and undeniable. This coming from a Biologist (that's why I said "ologist" and remained vague) who is objective and considering possibly "selling out" (as some of you say)vs the MDA route. I thought it would be an easier way to decide how much of this sparring is objective vs subjective.

I think everybody deserves respect, but I definitely don't see that happening here. I know some of you feel justified "well such and such never respected me, so I won't...." for your lack or respect, but surely you know that everyone shouldn't be mislabeled b/c of 1 or even 100 bad apples. I have always respected my family doc and believe doc's have a hard road to get where they are so they have earned (yes, earned) that respect until it is lost on an individual basis (just as you guys deserve respect on a person to person basis). Yet, I see many totally disrepecting the doctors as a whole ("that is why I hate doctors" --an earlier quote). Not too mention disrespecting your own CRNA brethren.

You are also not thinking clearly to say "CRNA's are smart, but anyone w/ a brainstem can get into medical school". To be polite, I will just say that sounds "silly". I have a tough decision to make and have alot of anxiety about even being able to get into medical school (if that turns out to be my path), but from the way you make it sound it's open to everybody. I think the point that is trying to be made is that if you are looking for someone that is intelligent my order of greater likelihood goes like this janitor<burger flipper<flight attendent<CRNA<pilot<PA<CEO<Doctor. This may not be right all the time but I'll be right more than you if you reverse the order. That is just common sense and if you don't agree that does worry me about taking the shorter path.

Is it too difficult to agree that a doctor (most of the time) will be more intelligent than the nurse/CRNA??

[jmillions]

Originally Posted by RNFPC

Stop belittling those that have gone to medical school, you should not open your mouth about it unless you have been through it, you have NO idea...

Perhaps anesthesiologists and med students should stop belittling nurses, CRNA's, NP's, etc... unless you are one, you have NO idea what it means to be one...[/quote]


... all i see on this board is "CRNAs can do all that an MD can do. MD's are useless in anesthesia....

[piper_for_hire]

... all i see on this board is "CRNAs can do all that an MD can do. MD's are useless in anesthesia....

I think you are seeing what you want to see. This kind of back and forth bickering and finger pointing is rare on this board and in practice. As I said before, this thread and others like it was started simply to stir up the pot. It's pointless.

-S

[Ekklesia]

Originally Posted by jmillions

... all i see on this board is "CRNAs can do all that an MD can do. MD's are useless in anesthesia....

I agree with piper, you see what you want.

Please give five examples of posts that explicitly state that "CRNAs can do all that an MD can do" AND 5 explicit examples of "MDs are useless in anesthesia."

You can't do it.

[destined2bCRNA]

Originally Posted by RNFPC

One more thing:

Am I the only one not impressed by the premed prerequisites??? Some of y'all act like the prerequisites classes are masters level chemistry or physics... Guess what, they're not... Here's what they are:

2 Semesters of Calculus (less for DO): Hmm, got that through AP credit in HS

2 Semesters of Biology with lab: Hmm, also got that through AP credit in HS

2 Semesters of General Chemistry with lab: Hmm, also got that through AP credit in HS

2 Semesters of Organic Chemistry with lab: Just about any science major will take this (and a prerequisite for many CRNA programs)

2 Semesters of Physics with Lab: Didn't have time to take the AP for it in HS

So, only 2 classes not available as AP credit in high school... Very advanced....

Let's be honest, the undergrad prereq's for medschool are about 30-40 credits - only 1/4-1/3 of the undergraduate degree. I personally find it insulting to be told that: 1) the undergrad prereq's are "advanced" science (they're not - advanced means upper level) and that 2) I couldn't possibly do well in those classes...

I guess all of our science PhD's who are leading the way in research weren't smart enough to be physicians...

You go RNFPC!! Why do people think it's something that can't be accomplished without being a rocket scientist?? THEY'RE JUST CLASSES THAT ANYONE CAN TAKE.

[maxsquared]

You are more intelligent and smarter than a physician. You are a humble nurse. CRNA's are the technicians of the anesthesia world, they are the anesthesiologist's scut monkeys. They earn 1/3 less than anesthesiologists and rightfully so, they have only acquired, at the most, 1/6th of the didactic education of the anesthesiologist. Any CRNA has the option of going to medical school to become an anesthesiologist to increase their pay, knowledge base, and power, but at the exuberent price of extensive time and money which may take many years to recover, even at an anesthesiologists pay. To sum it all up a humble CRNA, in my opinion, looks a lot like this: more earning years + less school + less responsibility = 1 seething, jealous anesthesiologist.

[jwk]

Originally Posted by triad1006

I do think it is interesting how a CRNA who heralds the MDA's is questioned 10+ times, but an MDA who heralds the CRNA's isn't questioned one bit. You can say whatever you want, but the bias is obvious and undeniable. This coming from a Biologist (that's why I said "ologist" and remained vague) who is objective and considering possibly "selling out" (as some of you say)vs the MDA route. I thought it would be an easier way to decide how much of this sparring is objective vs subjective.

I think everybody deserves respect, but I definitely don't see that happening here. I know some of you feel justified "well such and such never respected me, so I won't...." for your lack or respect, but surely you know that everyone shouldn't be mislabeled b/c of 1 or even 100 bad apples. I have always respected my family doc and believe doc's have a hard road to get where they are so they have earned (yes, earned) that respect until it is lost on an individual basis (just as you guys deserve respect on a person to person basis). Yet, I see many totally disrepecting the doctors as a whole ("that is why I hate doctors" --an earlier quote). Not too mention disrespecting your own CRNA brethren.

You are also not thinking clearly to say "CRNA's are smart, but anyone w/ a brainstem can get into medical school". To be polite, I will just say that sounds "silly". I have a tough decision to make and have alot of anxiety about even being able to get into medical school (if that turns out to be my path), but from the way you make it sound it's open to everybody. I think the point that is trying to be made is that if you are looking for someone that is intelligent my order of greater likelihood goes like this janitor<burger flipper<flight attendent<CRNA<pilot<PA<CEO<Doctor. This may not be right all the time but I'll be right more than you if you reverse the order. That is just common sense and if you don't agree that does worry me about taking the shorter path.

Is it too difficult to agree that a doctor (most of the time) will be more intelligent than the nurse/CRNA??

I questioned it right off the bat but my response was censored.