[RNCRNA2BE]

However, if someone seriously made all those statements about nurses how could any nurse agree!! I agree with kmm. Sometimes the political correctness on this board is highly annoying. Stick up for yourselves, nurses!! The road to being a nurse is not easy, and for sure the job is not either.

[piper_for_hire]

I don't think this is a serious post. At best it is sarcasm and at worst it is someone trying to start some trouble. My guess is that it was intended to be funny - because it was hysterical. I love this kind of humor.

-S

[triad1006]

I am an "ologist" as some of you say and I have noticed that CRNA's training is more than adequate. I look at them as equals and with as much knowledge and experience as myself. The training/experience they receive is essentially equal to our own. Their actions speak multitudes to their quality and intelligence. I have seen many CRNA's and MDA's over my time and always have considered them equal on the whole. I respect the training they have rec'd and their experience is invaluable. MDA's do not receive the experience that CRNA's do prior to practicing and never will. The slights that they receive from others more than motivates them to make up for their perceived lack and more than overtake all (or many) MDA's that I have worked with. Take this for what its worth, but I will rename nameless to avoid any backlash from my fellow coworkers who believe otherwise. I have enjoyed working w/ many great CRNA's and it has been an honor to me to see you guys do it humbly too. You all have given Anesthesiology a good name!

[zrmorgan]

Originally Posted by janecristensen

this is in response to 'bioncokie's' post under 'Doctor's Frustrations' ,

But YOU have to make decisions quickly and those exams prepare you for that. Maybe we should have to take more tests, have more questions, and be 'pressured' by having less time.

I paged the doctor !!

It's true that we are NOT as smart as MDs. It's true that we DON'T know the 'medical knowledge' that you do. We should be proud of who we are.

We are SPECIAL !! Rejoice in the fact that we're special !! .

I agree about oral boards...I think we should raise the bar a little, especially in the light of all the solo practices that are being offered to new grads...however, if I am ever a proctor to oral crna boards (and I beleive any MDA who would be a proctor to these boards would agree) and sense a lack of self worth in a candidate because they beleive they are "just" a crna, they will fail. It will be just as important for the candidates to know their limits, however, when the stuff hits the fan, self doubt and lack of courage can kill as easily as arrogance.

I encourage our profession to scrutinize our new graduates to find this balance.

And yes, I do rejoice in the fact that we are ssssssspecial, and as smart as our well educated anesthesiologists!

[droopy1592]

Originally Posted by janecristensen

It's true that we are NOT as smart as MDs.


and


I don't know one nurse who could sit through a physical chemistry/ quantum physics course and pull an 'A'. let alone pull an 'A' in all chemistry courses.

Myself and a nurse that's presently in Duke's CRNA school pulled all As in all of our Chemistry classes, easily. We even tutored the students that were "top of the class" headed for Med school and Pharm school. One's career path doesn't decide your level of ability or intelligence. It may correlate with your level of dedication or intelligence, but it doesn't automatically make one better or more capable than someone that's chosen a "lesser" career.

There is an Emory U AA student that was originally a Cardio Thoracic ICU PA. When a patient in the Maternity OR coded , he was running the show, not the docs... it was his experience, not just his education, that saved that patient's life. An experienced advanced practitioner can hold their own against anyone.

I agree about the education, but with specialization, much more is learned with seasoning.

[janecristensen]

Let me first say thank you all for the supporting comments. For those of you who doubt my job title, I could care less. Not worth my time to discuss here. One of my colleagues referred me to this site last week. She said to watch out for some of the postings. She said she was often turned off by what some of you say. However, I was doubtful. I was going to try to prove her wrong. Like I said earlier, I was hoping this would be a forum to discuss these issues... to open the lines of communication and education regarding our roles.

But, it was bitter sweet, and only because of a FEW bad seeds. The bitterness can be cut with a knife its so thick. I mean how long to you have to keep repeating the same ol' "we know as much as them" stuff. YOU DONT! you never will. ACCEPT IT! Be proud to be a crna. We're different, we're special. As soon as we accept this, we all become winners. It really is pathetic. It makes us, the majority of CRNAs, look weak, bitter, pathetic and jealous. I mean give me a break!! I thought this was a dead issue, and for most of you it seems to be so. But there are still a few like 'kmm' that stick out like a sore thumb. I'm sorry you feel that way, but go back and read your post again, carefully. Don't you see it?? PLEASE refrain from writing those types of comments in public places where people can read it. You are bringing our profession down. You're not in the top tier.. accept it. be proud to be a crna! We love our job. We're special. dont forget that! you seem to always forget that.

Again, thank you for all those encouraging posts and emails I've received over the past few days. It's nice to know the majority still has their heads on straight. However, I think I'll visit this site 'thread' less often. Keeping my distance from those types always makes me look good and respectable, and I hope the rest of you will do the same.
My department is gearing up for a crna seminar this fall in arizona. Our department will be giving 3 presentations. I will be giving one of them, specifically talking about these very issues, mainly what I brought up earlier in my first posting. We need to continue to spread this knowledge, communicate and close those information gaps. The support here in the metro for this 'progressive' talk is outstanding amongst colleagues.. as opposed to the 'kmm' regression rhetoric which we would all like to see disappear.

I will not be discouraged, and I hope you aren't either! Anyways, good luck to all in your careers!! Hope to see you soon!

[skipaway]

Originally Posted by triad1006

I am an "ologist" as some of you say and I have noticed that CRNA's training is more than adequate. I look at them as equals and with as much knowledge and experience as myself. The training/experience they receive is essentially equal to our own. Their actions speak multitudes to their quality and intelligence. I have seen many CRNA's and MDA's over my time and always have considered them equal on the whole. I respect the training they have rec'd and their experience is invaluable. MDA's do not receive the experience that CRNA's do prior to practicing and never will. The slights that they receive from others more than motivates them to make up for their perceived lack and more than overtake all (or many) MDA's that I have worked with. Take this for what its worth, but I will rename nameless to avoid any backlash from my fellow coworkers who believe otherwise. I have enjoyed working w/ many great CRNA's and it has been an honor to me to see you guys do it humbly too. You all have given Anesthesiology a good name!

First post.....thank you.

[EmeraldNYL]

.... and if the poster really is a CRNA, well then I am ashamed that they are a fellow member of my profession.

Oh, and no doc I know sat through quantum physics-- it is not required for med school admissions! You can be an English major and get into med school as long as you have the required courses.

[platon20]

Uhhhh med schools dont accept AP credits.

[emmycRN]

Originally Posted by triad1006

I am an "ologist" as some of you say and I have noticed that CRNA's training is more than adequate. I look at them as equals and with as much knowledge and experience as myself. The training/experience they receive is essentially equal to our own. Their actions speak multitudes to their quality and intelligence. I have seen many CRNA's and MDA's over my time and always have considered them equal on the whole. I respect the training they have rec'd and their experience is invaluable. MDA's do not receive the experience that CRNA's do prior to practicing and never will. The slights that they receive from others more than motivates them to make up for their perceived lack and more than overtake all (or many) MDA's that I have worked with. Take this for what its worth, but I will rename nameless to avoid any backlash from my fellow coworkers who believe otherwise. I have enjoyed working w/ many great CRNA's and it has been an honor to me to see you guys do it humbly too. You all have given Anesthesiology a good name!

This kind of attitude encourages teamwork and professional pride, unlike the discouraging words of the OP.
Thank you for your kindness and respect of the nursing profession.