[RNFPC]

One more thing:

Am I the only one not impressed by the premed prerequisites??? Some of y'all act like the prerequisites classes are masters level chemistry or physics... Guess what, they're not... Here's what they are:

2 Semesters of Calculus (less for DO): Hmm, got that through AP credit in HS

2 Semesters of Biology with lab: Hmm, also got that through AP credit in HS

2 Semesters of General Chemistry with lab: Hmm, also got that through AP credit in HS

2 Semesters of Organic Chemistry with lab: Just about any science major will take this (and a prerequisite for many CRNA programs)

2 Semesters of Physics with Lab: Didn't have time to take the AP for it in HS

So, only 2 classes not available as AP credit in high school... Very advanced....

Let's be honest, the undergrad prereq's for medschool are about 30-40 credits - only 1/4-1/3 of the undergraduate degree. I personally find it insulting to be told that: 1) the undergrad prereq's are "advanced" science (they're not - advanced means upper level) and that 2) I couldn't possibly do well in those classes...

I guess all of our science PhD's who are leading the way in research weren't smart enough to be physicians...

[Vin]

This post smells fishy.....I think you're really a disgruntled MD (or student to be) presenting yourself as a CRNA to get your points across.

[CerebralCRNA]

Originally Posted by janecristensen

I think I speak for all crnas when I say..

Your type would never take care of my family b/c there will be instances when you need to be prepared to handle any situation b/c your "backup" will not be available.....Your type would let the patient die before making a decision.

I feel pity for you that your training didn't give you the courage to be an independent practitioner

[meandragonbrett]

Somebody coming and making this post and it's the first and only post?

[CerebralCRNA]

I question the fact that you are a CRNA, by your own accord you have been doing anesthesia for 5 years but yet your profile says RN-BSN. Graduates have been required to hold a master's degree well before your "stated" experience.

I do not believe your are a CRNA.

[CerebralCRNA]

....................................and its interesting that you only joined yesterday.

[kmm215]

I shouldn't say anything, but all this political correctness is killing me! And these threads are the reason I stay away from this forum. First off, we are just as smart as MDA. I am pretty much thru w/ half my CRNA training and am well on my way to completing it (not even a chance I won't finish). I don't see any difference btwn MDA and CRNAs except they went the long route. I intubate/induce/iv access/wake up/vasopressors/etc- they intubate/etc. It is too easy to get seduced by being a "doctor", but most of that is political anyway. Being smart has nothing to do w/ getting into med school. I tried and both times I got bypassed while doctor's sons/daughters got in. Total BS. If I wasn't good enough, why am I now doing what anesthesiologist do (and I got in first shot). That just shows you how political it is (and pretty much all life).

You bring up pressure on written testing. That has nothing to do w/ sitting in an OR doing anesthesia. If I get the right answer the answer is just as right as yours that you came up w/ in half the time (and some ppl finished w/ extra time). Plus, I talk to families after death/codes too. I know how to talk to pt's which doctors don't!

Next, who was the smart one I finished my BSN and was working (earning $50,000+), while your going thru med school (making nothing). After 4 years in the ICU, I've seen many interns ask me (yes, me!) questions there first couple months. Then a month goes by and they get cocky and stop asking. Learning thru experience is much easier than all that "knowledge". If the HR goes down give Atropine, bp down- give dopamine, that is almost half the prob's in the ICU---solved!!!!!

Now CRNA school is teaching me the rest: airway protection, preop, ABG, if in doubt then LMA-- again most prob's solved!!!! It is so much easy, when you take it step by step and don't burn bridges w/ the patient. We have been told, that spending twice the time w/ a pt (extra 5-10 min) will prevent the majority of lawsuits. If there is any prob's an MDA isn't even needed!!! YOu know what you have other ppl to give input --surgeon/circulator/etc. At least i'm not too arrogant to know 2 heads are better than 1.

Next, I've seen studies that say we have similar M/M than MDAs (that means just as good in my books) if not better. And don't give me the harder cases line. Most of the harder cases the surgeon runs, and if he doesn't the cardiopartly bypass does the job!

Secondly, I didn't waste all that time w/ loans (I was making $) and studying stuff I don't need to know to do the same work as an MDA. More money, less loans, same job= Smarter path. And hey, I don't want to take your stupid test (again smarter path) that is why I chose nursing (and am proud of it). Answering questions on a test (written at that) doesn't make you (them) smarter.

Sorry if it's long-winded but the sooner they realize this the better. Guys don't let anyone tell you they are better than you, b/c we are truly better than them as providers and whole human beings! If I misspelled/misspoke I'm open for a civil discussion about it. Thanks.


PS We learn the same amount in less time= we are smarter!! (I dare you to explain that one)

[jesset2]

Originally Posted by LuvMyGamecocks

I understand fully what your point of view is, and I agree 100%.

But, the tone of several things in your post (all quoted above) IMO suggest that nurses "settle" for "just being a nurse." I could VERY well sit through a physical chemistry/quantum physics course/whatever you throw at me and pull out an 'A'. Is it a matter of intelligence? Partially. The difference is in the motivation. I'm not willing to give away 8-12 years of my life...MDs are.

ANYONE's limitations should bedefined by themselves. Because someone is in the nursing field shouldn't suggest that they are limited in what they can achieve in their education. It is a choice...one that you, myself and many, many others are happy to have made.

Can I PLEASE assume that the first line is one that I've taken out of context? MDs are given a far greater amount of material in school to learn than nurses, but that makes them more knowledgable...NOT smarter.

Well said!

[berry]

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lets see a crna for 5 years makes her first post on a crna board praising the mighty ologist and proclaiming how little she and other crnas know.

[CRNAGAL]

I doubt the OP is a CRNA, smells like someone trying to stir up trouble.