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by finola

Hello all!

I am one of the 77 out of 120 that failed in my group at WCCCD! yes, lots of people. We jumped through the hoops of "remediation" and new classes begin on Oct. 20..and we are all still waiting to see if we all get in or who gets in or what. I am sooo irritated with WCCCD. I do not want to continue the nursing program there. My mentor told me to never blame the instructor..it is not their fault. Its yours. Your doing something wrong. If you dont like your instructor than you must teach yourself...r u kidding me? If the instructor actually taught maybe things would be ok. I know I am not the only one with problems with this instructor. Anyways after this semester I am 3 credits away from my assoc. in applied science. So I thought of finishing up at WCCCD with the assoc. degree and moving on to do nursing elsewhere. Im wondering if anyone can give some info on universities...waiting lists and the programs itself. Im looking, so far, at Madonna, EMU or UM. Any other suggestions on other schools would be great. Thanks!!

[MInurse2b]

Re: BSN where??

Sorry things didn't work out for you at WC3.

I am familiar with just about every university nursing program in the Metro Detroit area . All of the requirements and pre-reqs are listed online at their websites.

Best thing is to call and set up a meeting with a counselor in the nursing office or attend an informational (take all your transcripts with you!).

All of those programs you mentioned are really competitive and receive tons of applications, so your grades have to be near impeccable if trying to get into a traditional program. For some reason there is more leniency grade wise for those going for second degrees or RN/BSN.

If you feel your grades may not cut it, don't fear - remember the GPA may be re-evaluated so that is why it is good to meet with a counselor and they can tell you what will or won't be accepted, where you stand, or what you need to do. All of these schools you mentioned do not accept grades towards your gpa, just credit. Our nursing classes from WC3 won't transfer - only the pre-reqs and some of the co-reqs in most cases. UM was the only one I found to be most stringent and didn't want to accept nearly anything. For all of these schools you must get admitted to the college itself and then apply to the nursing college. One thing I like about universities is their ability to look at the whole picture - they evaluate you as a student and not just by your gpa.

If grades are a problem - some people go ahead and get generally admitted to the school of their choice and take classes which can start off your gpa and then when ready to apply to the nursing college you can show that you can do higher level work, also that your serious.

Eastern, Madonna, U of D, and Oakland Univ may be, in my opinion, easier colleges to get into for traditional students.

Before attending WC3 I was seriously considering a second-degree BSN program and got accepted at U of D but for economic reasons chose the ADN. The program was only 12 mos but what I pay at WC3 would have been times 20. There was barely any waiting there and they were willing to consider me without me having completed my chemistry requirements

Best wishes. Whatever you choose, you can do it!!

[finola]

Re: BSN where??

Do you know anything about WSU? I have heard that it is harder to get into the nursing program there than EMU. Just wondering if true.

[WayneStateKatie]

Re: BSN where??

Originally Posted by finola

Do you know anything about WSU? I have heard that it is harder to get into the nursing program there than EMU. Just wondering if true.

Yes WSU's nursing program is more difficult to get into than EMU's. This year wayne accepted 48 students. Hundreds applied. They give preference to students who complete all/some of the prereqs at Wayne. Last year I don't believe anyone was accepted who had not done any classes at WSU-- I am aware of people who didn't take prereqs at wayne, had a 3.7/3.8 GPA and were not accepted into the program. I know several people who were wayne students with very good GPAs (higher than 3.6 and male!) who did not get in. I believe it's the hardest BSN program in Michigan to get into-- the average GPA is higher than any other school. If you go to an info meeting they will give you the breakdown of how they break students into six groups for admission and preference-- this info is also available online. They will also give you the admissions stats for this fall and the average GPA (they took way fewer students and the GPA was a lot higher than in past years. This info isn't online yet).

You're also going to be fighting an uphill battle with a failing grade (in nursing curriculum) on your transcript. It's not to say you aren't going to find a program that will accept you, but I think that will make it considerably harder. Like the previous poster said I think your best bet is probably to enroll in the university, work exceedingly hard for a year or two on the general education and graduation requirements. Get all As, prove you can do it, and your application might be looked upon more favorably. I would also probably put my name on the list at HFCC. It's my understanding that they will take you no matter what as long as you complete their prereqs and don't care what your GPA is as long as you passed the prereqs. It may take a while but you know that you will eventually be back in an RN program no matter what. You could do the bridge program to a BSN later if you decided to pursue that avenue.

Good luck with whatever you decide I hope something works out!

[tonyal]

Re: BSN where??

HFCC does have a GPA requirement, also you have to take the NET test at their campus. 3 tries to pass is all you get. here is a link to the requirements. www.hfcc.edu go under the programs and nursing will be listed.

[Michigangirl]

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I'm sorry you are having a bad experience.

I don't know the specifics of the different universities, so I can't help you there. I disagree with one of the above posters about second degree being more leinent on the grades (at least the ones I was looking at), but that's not important to you anyway. I honestly don't know anything about the traditional programs.

I just wanted to offer you my support. I know many people look down on Community Colleges and think they are "easier" - maybe because some of them let you in eventually once you have met the requirements and therefore are not competitive. However, the drop out rate seems to be very high. I think part of the problem may be because they are very fast paced and intense.

I recently met a woman who has been an RN for many years. When she found out I went to Schoolcraft, she said she hated that place. When I asked her why, she said it went much too quickly for her. She went there, failed out, and went on to Madonna and did very well, where the pace was more reasonable for her.

I hope you continue looking into alternatives and find your path...Just be sure to do a very honest evaluation of yourself and your current situation so this doesn't happen to you again. (The world is full of bad instructors...)

Good luck!